So does this means she would join the Foreign Dorm soon?
It can also be like the Hibiki situation that Yukikaze still stays in the local shipgirls dorm as herself and in the foreign shipgirls dorm as Tan Yang.
It can also be like the Hibiki situation that Yukikaze still stays in the local shipgirls dorm as herself and in the foreign shipgirls dorm as Tan Yang.
Poor Bismarck though who have to prepare for her accommodation.
Poor Bismarck though who have to prepare for her accommodation.
I feel bad for the rest of the foreign shipgirls. Yukikaze is gonna be free to roam, both by feet and by her touchy-feely hands. She's gonna take someone's sanctity.
Update: Ido has deleted the original post of this photo of this tweet and is now going through to "apologize for the mess." I don't wanna assume anything because I do not know the context, but I think we can all guess as well.
Update: Ido has deleted the original post of this photo of this tweet and is now going through to "apologize for the mess." I don't wanna assume anything because I do not know the context, but I think we can all guess as well.
I'm glad that ido mentioned pineapple cakes. Those are my favourite snack....! I hope Tanyang enjoys the Taiwan night life. I surely love night markets and street food, because I feel that you can tell a lot about a country by their street food!
I'm glad that ido mentioned pineapple cakes. Those are my favourite snack....! I hope Tanyang enjoys the Taiwan night life. I surely love night markets and street food, because I feel that you can tell a lot about a country by their street food!
Ido has fans in Taiwan; he once advertized a Chinese edition of some of his works for a convention in Taiwan. I'm not surprised he'd return the sentiment.
I really don't get it. If we were shown at school a political map where China and Taiwan are different entities since we were children, how does China expects anything other about a different political division they only know inside their territory?
She's probably going to be fine. After all, Benson/Lo Yang and her sister Rodman/Hsieng Yang will be there to accompany her, never mind those silly Gnevnys that will give Tashkent a stroke for not being Soviet anymore.
I really don't get it. If we were shown at school a political map where China and Taiwan are different entities since we were children, how does China expects anything other about a different political division they only know inside their territory?
Totalitarian regimes are obsessed with getting rid of anything that might make them look bad.
I really don't get it. If we were shown at school a political map where China and Taiwan are different entities since we were children, how does China expects anything other about a different political division they only know inside their territory?
Mainland China is just butthurt that they never succeeded in destroying the entirety of the Republic of China. Taiwan has been independent of mainland China longer than several countries have even existed at this point.
Also wouldn't be surprised if this is some cultural thing of having to completely absorb or annihilate those who ruled in the previous "dynasty".
Update: Ido has deleted the original post of this photo of this tweet and is now going through to "apologize for the mess." I don't wanna assume anything because I do not know the context, but I think we can all guess as well.
I really don't get it. If we were shown at school a political map where China and Taiwan are different entities since we were children, how does China expects anything other about a different political division they only know inside their territory?
It's because of the One-China policy, which is the diplomatic norm throughout the world. The PRC is regarded as the legitimate successor of China as a historical nation, which Taiwan used to be a part of. It resists any insinuation that there can be more than one China, even if the other China now calls itself Taiwan, and it is free to do so without repercussion because of that international recognition. In practice, it has traditionally avoided the issue because it's more trouble than its worth. But politics are so very different nowadays: fewer people seek consensus than they have done in the past.
NWF_Renim said:
Mainland China is just butthurt that they never succeeded in destroying the entirety of the Republic of China. Taiwan has been independent of mainland China longer than several countries have even existed at this point.
Also wouldn't be surprised if this is some cultural thing of having to completely absorb or annihilate those who ruled in the previous "dynasty".
Not quite. The Chinese Communist Party is wary of anything that constitutes a challenge to its rule, based as it is on the idea that there is only one China for the Chinese nation, under the People's Republic of China. That forms one pillar of its legitimacy, since it does not actually seek it from the people themselves. The other pillars are rooted in its control of administration down to the lowest echelons of governance, and its control of the army.
It would be somewhat anachronistic to call it cultural, because there is something very Western about it: the idea that every nation of people have the right to a homeland based on historical borders.
Update: Ido has deleted the original post of this photo of this tweet and is now going through to "apologize for the mess." I don't wanna assume anything because I do not know the context, but I think we can all guess as well.
It's sad that my first thought on seeing the translation was "man I hope that really blatant and positive mention of Taiwan doesn't cause a problem.", but China is full of screaming, insecure little children so of course it did. Anyway, fuck China and it's claims on Taiwan which despite it's psychotic, childish whining no one actually respects despite the placating lip-service.
Bad on Ido for taking it down though, that's the WRONG response to this shit. The proper one being a middle finger.
Not quite. The Chinese Communist Party is wary of anything that constitutes a challenge to its rule, based as it is on the idea that there is only one China for the Chinese nation, under the People's Republic of China. That forms one pillar of its legitimacy, since it does not actually seek it from the people themselves. The other pillars are rooted in its control of administration down to the lowest echelons of governance, and its control of the army.
It would be somewhat anachronistic to call it cultural, because there is something very Western about it: the idea that every nation of people have the right to a homeland based on historical borders.
Except this is nothing new for them and they have a long history of this and was continued at least up to the point of the Republic of China.
Frequently, remnants and descendants of previous dynasties were either purged or granted noble titles in accordance with the Èr Wáng Sān Kè (二王三恪; "two crownings, three respects") system. The latter served as a means for the reigning dynasty to claim legitimate succession from earlier dynasties.[44] For example, the Emperor Xiaojing of Eastern Wei was accorded the title "Prince of Zhongshan" by the Emperor Wenxuan of Northern Qi following the latter's deposition of the former.[45] Similarly, Chai Yong, a nephew of the Emperor Shizong of Later Zhou, was conferred the title "Duke of Chongyi" by the Emperor Renzong of Song; other descendants of the Later Zhou ruling family came to inherit the noble title thereafter.[46]
According to Chinese historiographical tradition, each new dynasty would compose the history of the preceding dynasty, culminating in the Twenty-Four Histories.[47] This tradition was maintained even after the Xinhai Revolution overthrew the Qing dynasty in favor of the Republic of China. However, the attempt by the Republicans to draft the history of the Qing was disrupted by the Chinese Civil War, which resulted in the political division of China into the People's Republic of China on mainland China and the Republic of China on Taiwan.[48]
The fact is they're still doing this in China today of writing the history to give legitimacy to their current ruler. <Edit> Don't have a source on this, but there was an article discussing the fact that a recently popular song pushed by the government was a complete rewrite of their history and gave a transitional legitimacy of their current leader as being the heir of one of their previous public figures. Except for the fact that their own historians were alarmed with this cause of the fact that no such connection actually exists.NPR had a short segment on this with the fact that Xi Jinping and his government have been trying to rewrite their history and insert him and his family into their history to expand his and his family's historical legitimacy.
Bad on Ido for taking it down though, that's the WRONG response to this shit. The proper one being a middle finger.
Given that there has been a lot of asshats in twitter lately, Ido is pretty much an outsider from this Taiwan mess so it's better for him not to escalate it further, and besides it is still in seiga so it was not totally taken down.
I feel bad for the rest of the foreign shipgirls. Yukikaze is gonna be free to roam, both by feet and by her touchy-feely hands. She's gonna take someone's sanctity.
I wonder what would happen if she's encountering Warspite, the luckiest ship in Foreign Dorm.
Except this is nothing new for them and they have a long history of this and was continued at least up to the point of the Republic of China.
The fact is they're still doing this in China today of writing the history to give legitimacy to their current ruler. <Edit> Don't have a source on this, but there was an article discussing the fact that a recently popular song pushed by the government was a complete rewrite of their history and gave a transitional legitimacy of their current leader as being the heir of one of their previous public figures. Except for the fact that their own historians were alarmed with this cause of the fact that no such connection actually exists.NPR had a short segment on this with the fact that Xi Jinping and his government have been trying to rewrite their history and insert him and his family into their history to expand his and his family's historical legitimacy.
I'm not trying to argue about rewriting history. What I am disputing is that the need to integrate Taiwan is an inherent cultural trait of the Chinese, which it isn't, and it is really more nuanced than that. That said, all histories are constantly rewritten and reevaluated justify the present, and there's nothing unique about how China rewrites history. Much of what we see as national history are the product of nineteenth century writers who sought to establish a logical progression of events forming the contemporary nation state, but in the process of doing so, they distorted or left out accounts that did not fit. Nowadays, we continually rewrite history to include all that was left out in previous accounts. Most of the time, this is entirely appropriate, but liberties are taken, especially in popular media.
Dynastic histories were written to justify succession to the Middle Kingdom, the centre of the world with no peers. Thing is, the borders of the Middle Kingdom were never very clearly outlined: even during the course of a single dynasty, territorial boundaries could shift a lot, and even territories within boundaries were under very nominal control. Taiwan, for almost all of its inhabited history, was on the margins of the Sinosphere, even coming under the control of the Spanish and Dutch at one point; while the Qing took possession sometime in the seventeenth century, their control was always very tenuous. The only constant in this dynastic progression was the form of government: a monarch at the centre of it all, to whom all -- from the lowest peasant to the highest prince -- owed fealty, even if the actual exercise of authority was spotty. That system came to an end when the Qing Dynasty was rudely introduced to the concept of Westphalian sovereignty.
The present debate is more rooted in the idea that one sovereign state has undisputed authority over a given area, and interacts with other sovereign states as diplomatic peers. The People's Republic of China claims to be the legitimate successor to the previous Chinese state, the Republic of China, a recognition which it has been more or less accorded after its accession to the UN in 1971. It lays claims to the same territories and same peoples, with both being roughly analogous to the historical possessions of the Qing, which in turn was also recognized as a sovereign state, succeeded by the Republic of China. The problem is that technically, the Republic of China is still in existence. This puts the PRC in a difficult position: their claims are based on the historical boundaries of the Qing, which includes Taiwan, but Taiwan is occupied by a different government which also claims itself to be the successor state of the Qing Dynasty. Aside from contradicting the One-China policy, it also challenges China's claim to be sovereign in the former territories of the Qing, and as I've said earlier, the Chinese Communist Party does not like anything which challenges its authority. But since it can't decide the issue by force because of the threat of US military invention, the political strategy of the PRC since then has been to gradually erode international recognition of the ROC so that it can no longer be considered a sovereign state in its own right.
As for Xi Jinping, there is certainly a very different dynamic going on with him than with his predecessors. He has brought back the cult of personality, disavowed since Mao. More to the point, he's gone a step further and reintroduced a form of Han chauvinism, which not even Mao supported. This, I think, puts into context the present situation in Tibet (though this has taken place well before Xi's time), Xinjiang, and Hong Kong.
As for Ido taking it down, I wouldn't blame him. Mobs are terrifying.
I feel bad for the rest of the foreign shipgirls. Yukikaze is gonna be free to roam, both by feet and by her touchy-feely hands. She's gonna take someone's sanctity.
She's supposed to be friends with Johnston. Perhaps they're going to cause trouble together?
KingsleyDawson said:
I wonder what would happen if she's encountering Warspite, the luckiest ship in Foreign Dorm.
Grecale, Jervis, and Fletcher all have higher maximum luck. Which probably isn't surprising when the Japanese navy was the baseline.
I'm not trying to argue about rewriting history. What I am disputing is that the need to integrate Taiwan is an inherent cultural trait of the Chinese, which it isn't, and it is really more nuanced than that. That said, all histories are constantly rewritten and reevaluated justify the present, and there's nothing unique about how China rewrites history. Much of what we see as national history are the product of nineteenth century writers who sought to establish a logical progression of events forming the contemporary nation state, but in the process of doing so, they distorted or left out accounts that did not fit. Nowadays, we continually rewrite history to include all that was left out in previous accounts. Most of the time, this is entirely appropriate, but liberties are taken, especially in popular media.
Dynastic histories were written to justify succession to the Middle Kingdom, the centre of the world with no peers. Thing is, the borders of the Middle Kingdom were never very clearly outlined: even during the course of a single dynasty, territorial boundaries could shift a lot, and even territories within boundaries were under very nominal control. Taiwan, for almost all of its inhabited history, was on the margins of the Sinosphere, even coming under the control of the Spanish and Dutch at one point; while the Qing took possession sometime in the seventeenth century, their control was always very tenuous. The only constant in this dynastic progression was the form of government: a monarch at the centre of it all, to whom all -- from the lowest peasant to the highest prince -- owed fealty, even if the actual exercise of authority was spotty. That system came to an end when the Qing Dynasty was rudely introduced to the concept of Westphalian sovereignty.
The present debate is more rooted in the idea that one sovereign state has undisputed authority over a given area, and interacts with other sovereign states as diplomatic peers. The People's Republic of China claims to be the legitimate successor to the previous Chinese state, the Republic of China, a recognition which it has been more or less accorded after its accession to the UN in 1971. It lays claims to the same territories and same peoples, with both being roughly analogous to the historical possessions of the Qing, which in turn was also recognized as a sovereign state, succeeded by the Republic of China. The problem is that technically, the Republic of China is still in existence. This puts the PRC in a difficult position: their claims are based on the historical boundaries of the Qing, which includes Taiwan, but Taiwan is occupied by a different government which also claims itself to be the successor state of the Qing Dynasty. Aside from contradicting the One-China policy, it also challenges China's claim to be sovereign in the former territories of the Qing, and as I've said earlier, the Chinese Communist Party does not like anything which challenges its authority. But since it can't decide the issue by force because of the threat of US military invention, the political strategy of the PRC since then has been to gradually erode international recognition of the ROC so that it can no longer be considered a sovereign state in its own right.
As for Xi Jinping, there is certainly a very different dynamic going on with him than with his predecessors. He has brought back the cult of personality, disavowed since Mao. More to the point, he's gone a step further and reintroduced a form of Han chauvinism, which not even Mao supported. This, I think, puts into context the present situation in Tibet (though this has taken place well before Xi's time), Xinjiang, and Hong Kong.
As for Ido taking it down, I wouldn't blame him. Mobs are terrifying.
Also Thailand and Hong Kong unite with ROC for better political. So yeah in recently Thailand suffer from various protests for real democracy. I hope my country will be back to normal state.
She's supposed to be friends with Johnston. Perhaps they're going to cause trouble together?
How much property damage does “cause trouble with Johnston” imply? I imagine the answer is probably ‘Yes’.
The introduction of the RoC through Tan Yang brings a question to my mind: What would the Japanese shipgirl’s thoughts on the AVG be? I imagine most would have a degree of respect for them, given the fact that they fought with tenacity despite their small size and often lackluster supply situation.(There’s also the fact that the AVG almost entirely fought the Imperial Japanese Army, which probably nets them some points with the Navy shipgirls.)
Edit: Shinshuu Maru and Akitsu Maru: “Curses upon the thorns in our side.”
I was shocked, during the time suddenly Ido post a tweet of apologizing. I had to trace the source and I came here and was glad to see this post still exist in Internet. Seriously some China asshole just do not chill about it. they shud just end their own life.
I really don't get it. If we were shown at school a political map where China and Taiwan are different entities since we were children, how does China expects anything other about a different political division they only know inside their territory?
It's a strategy to try to normalize the idea that Taiwan is just a rebel territory of the PRC and should be brought down under their direct rule, the same way that they put the nine-dash line in every piece of media depicting a map of South Eastern Asia, until people that's not very interested or informed of the region start to believe the Chinese propaganda so there won't be a strong public support to push back against the PCR the day that they finally try to grab those territories.
It's sad that my first thought on seeing the translation was "man I hope that really blatant and positive mention of Taiwan doesn't cause a problem.", but China is full of screaming, insecure little children so of course it did. Anyway, fuck China and it's claims on Taiwan which despite it's psychotic, childish whining no one actually respects despite the placating lip-service.
Bad on Ido for taking it down though, that's the WRONG response to this shit. The proper one being a middle finger.
Well, better than another Kiryuu Coco mess all over again. Not that I support CCP hivemind, I detest them, just don't want that incident repeated again, for sake of Ido.
Well, better than another Kiryuu Coco mess all over again. Not that I support CCP hivemind, I detest them, just don't want that incident repeated again, for sake of Ido.
The thing is that this is exactly what the CCP watchdogs want: by making a ruckus for any little thing, they push people to self-censor, until there's not any positive mention of Taiwan anymore, only the CCP propaganda of a rebel territory that should be brought back to its rightful communist owner.
You know... all this talk of China and Taiwan gets me thinking about what the China in the Kancolle universe is up to.
I mean seriously, if you look at the naval forces of the modern day and the naval forces of WWII, most nations actually have their naval strength improved by the onset of the Abyssal war. I earlier talked about America might be having problems with getting their shipgirl force but it seems that those problems were overcome given how they've started practically throwing capital ships at their Japanese allies. However, there is one huge exception when it comes to comparative naval strength between the modern day and WWII and that's China. If you look at the Chinese navy today, you'll see a fairly respectable force. If you look at the Chinese navy of WWII... utterly laughable. China has spent a lot of effort to build up their modern navy so to see it all thrown away by such an unlikely event with almost no hope of recovery any time soon...
Also Thailand and Hong Kong unite with ROC for better political. So yeah in recently Thailand suffer from various protests for real democracy. I hope my country will be back to normal state.
Still a long way to go, my friend. But we are getting there (since you seem to a bit at least agree with Milk Tea Alliance, I assume you are with the protesters. Excuse me if otherwise)
The thing is that this is exactly what the CCP watchdogs want: by making a ruckus for any little thing, they push people to self-censor, until there's not any positive mention of Taiwan anymore, only the CCP propaganda of a rebel territory that should be brought back to its rightful communist owner.
I think sane and informed people know Taiwan can't be blamed for this. It just cancelled by brainless zombies was not worthy at all. We know the truth, so be it.
Another thing this whole mess makes me think about: if Danyang joins Ido's base, will Ido put the ROC flag on the Foreign Dormitory? That's a guarantee to trigger all the PCC watchdogs, even if he puts the ROC and PRC flags in the same pole like with the Russian flags (current and soviet on the same pole): post #3728479.
Still a long way to go, my friend. But we are getting there (since you seem to a bit at least agree with Milk Tea Alliance, I assume you are with the protesters. Excuse me if otherwise)
I am not protester but neutral and i know their propose for that protest in Thailand (for about Prime Minister and Parliamentary and sometime Royal Family)
Yukikaze being friends with Johnston is probably an allusion to the 2nd Johnston's Taiwanese service, though.
It's an allusion to an officer on Yukikaze saluting Johnston as the latter sank. And, according to some stories, a cook on the former throwing a can of tomatoes to the survivors of the latter.
It's all over!Taiwan is a nice country with lots of tasty delicacies. Once Admiral finishes collecting the Blueprints,Ah!Admiral, we have received a letter from Yukikaze, who is currently in Taiwan for training.SHIIIT!I never thought that Yukikaze's final remodel would take three blueprints!Yukikaze is doing fine!Com-man-der!
How are you doing?If I don't hurry and get those blueprints, Yukikaze might never come back!I'm Danyang right now!Sure is a nice place, that Taiwan.It's a bit lonely being away from you all - but everyone in Taiwan has been so kind and nice to me, so I can soldier on!Oh right, I went to one of those "night markets" for the first time not too long ago!This is bad!Really been slacking on those EOs, haven't you...My training for my Kai-2 is going great!I will bring back pineapple cakes to Japan as a souvenir! So take care of yourself, Admiral!Hey-Song Sarsaparilla
