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  • ID: 5734514
  • Uploader: bngyialtc »
  • Date: over 2 years ago
  • Approver: nonamethanks »
  • Size: 255 KB .png (693x539) »
  • Source: twitter.com/fukufaku/status/1578804724899360769 »
  • Rating: General
  • Score: 95
  • Favorites: 81
  • Status: Active

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t-800 (original and 1 more) drawn by fukufaku
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    bunkhead
    over 2 years ago
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    Fuck Skynet!

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    rom collector
    over 2 years ago
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    No one takes 8 hours drawing two thin lines in anime style. That implies you better change to a different career.

    Besides an AI could emulate drawing, but so far it can't emulate creativity. That's up to the artist and must be prompted to any of the current machines. I feel bad for the ones that charge 20 dollars and only draw boobs though.

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    FRien
    over 2 years ago
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    Whatever, AI cannot understand art. It can crap out dozens of pictures, but it doesn't do "art", it just does "pictures". There's no meaning behind it, and hacks pretending they're artists because they can order an AI around are in for a rude awakening when they'll try to open commissions and patreons.

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    AdventZero
    over 2 years ago
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    AI will only overtake human artists when AI finally understands the fine details of inspiration and initiative.

    At present, it's only as good as a ten year old bashing people's photos into some semi-coherent shapes and colors then doing the same thing at a thousand steps per second. The epitome of Monkeys at the Typewriter thought experiment.

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    Steak
    over 2 years ago
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    False idols creating false idols.

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    Plenty of Poi
    over 2 years ago
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    For what its worth, the images AI can create might just give budding artists an idea of what kind of OC or characters to draw. The fact that you can type a prompt and get something coherent that usually adheres to the input is really useful when a reference for one's idea isn't readily available, or you don't wanna have multiple separate references in a bunch of tabs, etc.

    As an example, I was thinking of drawing a goat girl/satyr as a bartender, but I wanted references from those more skilled to assess what the concept could be like. I didn't really get anything that matched the concept in my head, so I used the AI from the novelAI image gen to make a reference. The pictures it spit out were genuinely solid, and if it weren't for the fact that it had a hard time portraying goat legs, they might have been 1-to-1 what I wanted to put on paper.

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    Gardares
    over 2 years ago
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    In the same time.
    Artists: Sniper rifle with with incredible precision You can prompt them and they will do exactly what you prompted in a very high quality
    NN: Machine gun with the precision of an imperial stormtrooper You can prompt them, feel free to try a lot of times and customize their algorithm that will always do bad_anatomy, extra_legs, extra_breasts and anatomical_nonsense thanks to its heuristical nature

    I believe that Neural Networks are too limited right now. They're just like those old machines from pre-industrial era that can save you a lot of time, but you have to keep an eye on them and they will produce low-quality goods anyway. It would be great to have NN sprite_art generators for visual novels (when NN become more predictable), maybe simple background art (rooms, buildings, cities, where it does not need a lot of details), but game_cg is a big no-no, at least for now.

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    Kurai Tora
    over 2 years ago
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    @Gardares

    There are already indie horror games that use neural network art to enhance the creep factor, it's a matter of knowing when and how to use the tool.

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    AdventZero
    over 2 years ago
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    Meh. The AI isn't the problem. It's people trying to make money off of them by claiming it's legit art made by themselves.

    We already condemn humans for tracing over artwork and claiming it as their own. Don't think that hiding behind AI will absolve you of that shame.

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    Gardares
    over 2 years ago
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    Kurai_Tora said:

    There are already indie horror games that use neural network art to enhance the creep factor, it's a matter of knowing when and how to use the tool.

    It is still far from desirable, and indie horror games... how to put it correctly... NN just add something to them, NN do not reduce production time.

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    Cyrus the Acceptable
    over 2 years ago
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    Regardless of how it looks, I care more about the human effort that goes into art. I do not recognize entering a prompt as effort, and I don't care how many results are sifted through to find the right one. If it's just used for fun, or generating ideas, that's different.

    For the most part I am against using A.I. to make art, unless you are just making different poses, expressions, or other variations for the same art you already made (and nobody else's art without their permission).

    We will see which is favored more, real people or machines.
    A.I. can be used for evil or good, like any other tool. But they are just tools, and I think reliance on a tool that makes an artistic craft too easy removes the humanity from it, and I am pro-human.

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    downvote bot
    over 2 years ago
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    its just like ice harvester reaction when freezer was invented.

    if AI someday basically do anything, what will human do? how about with economy system like there is no free lunch?
    humans become obsolete and jobless and laze until they're fat like Axiom starship on Wall-E

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    crouchmediocre
    over 2 years ago
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    Does anyone realize the irony of this being drawn by a human or that by using a Terminator reference, it implies that humans will eventually defeat the machines?

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    Geicocar
    over 2 years ago
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    AdventZero said:

    AI will only overtake human artists when AI finally understands the fine details of inspiration and initiative.

    At present, it's only as good as a ten year old bashing people's photos into some semi-coherent shapes and colors then doing the same thing at a thousand steps per second. The epitome of Monkeys at the Typewriter thought experiment.

    ROFL this description.

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    The Inquisitor Morpheous
    over 2 years ago
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    bunkhead said:

    Fuck Skynet!

    Skynet's gonna destroy us all!

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    The Inquisitor Morpheous
    over 2 years ago
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    AdventZero said:

    AI will only overtake human artists when AI finally understands the fine details of inspiration and initiative.

    At present, it's only as good as a ten year old bashing people's photos into some semi-coherent shapes and colors then doing the same thing at a thousand steps per second. The epitome of Monkeys at the Typewriter thought experiment.

    You're still gonna be wanking over porn drawn by A.I.

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    GreenClarinet7
    about 2 years ago
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    To be honest, would prefer the human drawn eyebrows rather than that goop generated by artifical intelligence. At least the humans use effort... AI is just obedience.

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    CinderBH
    about 2 years ago
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    Everything FRien said, plus another fundamental thing AI generation advocates fail to understand: how to create memorable art that resonates with others is a people problem, a creative problem, not an engineering problem. Creating art isn't like building a car or a rocket; it's an act of communication with others and mutual enrichment, not a technical feat to be performed with the use of tools. Tools and techniques are only the medium through which we make art happen.

    (And yes, the above includes erotic art. Horny is just one of the many emotions art can provoke in us. It's not an "inferior" art form we can just leave to machines.)

    Similarly, a certain electric car dealer did all the damage he did to Twitter because he failed to understand that a social media platform isn't a piece of software, it's made of the people that use it. You can't deploy AI at it, same way as here. That is the kind of fundamental misconception that's at work.

    Of course, the topic would actually be worth discussing if the people involved in AI development were genuinely concerned with the progress of humanity instead of, you know, trying to get filthy rich by reinventing whole industries and putting themselves at the top.

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    rom collector
    about 2 years ago
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    People fail to understand AI is a tool. A machine that does absolutely nothing unless a human gets behind. The people problem is what makes an AI machine resonate its art with other people, because the human being with the problem (not the machine with the problem) is leading the way so it gets solved through engineering (engineering like using a piece of paper or a blank digital canvas). The human being decides what is right, what it should be changed nor what it needs improving. The AI is not capable to self evaluate or perform such tasks without human feedback. Either correcting bugs, training the tool or choosing the right prompt words for a right output result are totally human made: the soul behind the picture.

    Think of AI as a ventriloquism dummy. It can't move, talk or make people smile by its own. It's a souless contraption that totally depends on the human behind it to perform such actions. Depending on who controls that dummy it will fail or success with the task, the same with using a pencil, a brush, a mouse, a tablet or now an artificial neural network. Right now you see a lot of people unable to make the dummy even talk, but under the right hands these tools make what others do with paper and pencil.

    Updated by rom collector about 2 years ago

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    CitrusC
    about 2 years ago
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    rom_collector said:

    People fail to understand AI is a tool. A machine that does absolutely nothing unless a human gets behind.

    Yeah, by stealing assets from actual artists. It is you who don't understand.

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    rom collector
    about 2 years ago
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    You say this on an image with unauthorized (read: stolen) memes and copyrights? The irony. But it's all right, you are just like that other guy who insults from second post on when things don't go your way. If you want to debate there's the forum (a place I don't visit), this is a comment section. Consider yourself ignored too.

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    blindVigil
    about 2 years ago
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    rom_collector said:

    You say this on an image with unauthorized (read: stolen) memes and copyrights? The irony. But it's all right, you are just like that other guy who insults from second post on when things don't go your way. If you want to debate there's the forum (a place I don't visit), this is a comment section. Consider yourself ignored too.

    Did you seriously just talk about "stealing" memes? What a joke.

    And now you're telling people they can't use comments to debate? What happened to being a member of this "commmunity" meant people could say whatever they wanted and no one was allowed to complain? Oh, wait, I guess that only applies to you.

    Still can't stop talking about me all the time, either. Get over it, man, stop holding grudges.

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    CitrusC
    about 2 years ago
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    rom_collector said:

    You say this on an image with unauthorized (read: stolen) memes and copyrights? The irony. But it's all right, you are just like that other guy who insults from second post on when things don't go your way. If you want to debate there's the forum (a place I don't visit), this is a comment section. Consider yourself ignored too.

    "Don't debate in the comments"
    Says the guy who routinely incites flame wars to the point where his account has been flagged multiple times, and every other comment is downvoted to hell.
    Also your repeated ignorance of both AI pictures and tool usage is just a fact, not an insult. You simply don't know what you are talking about and frankly are a hypocrite trying to be argumentative moment your post gets called out while complaining others do the same.

    Maybe instead of complaining that multiple people are insulting you constantly, at every comment, at every post, every year, maybe just consider that it's just you who's woefully ignorant, OR maybe have the sense to realize this is an anti AI picture platform and behave accordingly or leave.

    Here's a "stolen" meme for you.
    "Am I so out of touch?"
    "No, it's literally everyone that's wrong"

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