No, if I was a troll I'd say "Nanoha belongs with Yuuno" and then sit back and watch the thread self-destruct.
I have no patience for Grim Dark and I have nothing but contempt for anyone who tries to jam it down the throat of my favorite series. Betrayers isn't a Nanoha doujin, it's a Warhammer 40K doujin with Nanoha characters in it.
for you maybe. Some of us likes this stuff you know. Besides, I don't understand why you say that this is a W40K doujin. Compared to W40K, Betrayers is a lot tamer.
Comartemis said: No, if I was a troll I'd say "Nanoha belongs with Yuuno" and then sit back and watch the thread self-destruct.
I have no patience for Grim Dark and I have nothing but contempt for anyone who tries to jam it down the throat of my favorite series. Betrayers isn't a Nanoha doujin, it's a Warhammer 40K doujin with Nanoha characters in it.
err..I think what TomoyoVB meant by troll was the picture itself...not you..
oracle135 said: for you maybe. Some of us likes this stuff you know. Besides, I don't understand why you say that this is a W40K doujin. Compared to W40K, Betrayers is a lot tamer.
It is just refreshing to see the core cast with other faces than :) =) or ;)
And seeing their own beliefs getting questioned and shaken.
oracle135 said: for you maybe. Some of us likes this stuff you know.
Proof positive that there really is no accounting for taste.
Besides, I don't understand why you say that this is a W40K doujin. Compared to W40K, Betrayers is a lot tamer.
The point I was trying to convey is that Himura ripped the heart out of this series when he replaced the upbeat tone with EPIC GRIMDARK. This is a problem many fanfic writers run into when they write AU fanfics; change a character too much, and you essentially have an original character with someone else's name and nothing else in common with them, only Himura has done this with the entire series. If you changed the names and appearances of the characters, Betrayers would have nothing in common with the original series. Hence, "a Warhammer 40K doujin (Grim Dark sci-fi action series) with Nanoha characters in it."
Cort321 said: Besides Himura Kiseki is epic.
Debatable. His plots are either completely incomprehensible mind screws where one has to constantly struggle to figure out what the hell is going on (Sword Dancers) or grim dark mockeries of a series where love and friendship conquer foes as surely as a Starlight Breaker.
Herrmobel said: It is just refreshing to see the core cast with other faces than :) =) or ;)
You obviously have not been paying any attention to this series at all. Fate's expression was not :) when Precia told her she hated her. Hayate was not going =) when the Lieze twins killed Vita right in front of her. And Nanoha was most definitely not going ;) when Jail showed her that video of Vivio strapped to the Saint King's throne and powering the Cradle. There is plenty of angst and emotional turmoil in this series without killing people off and making all the characters turn on each other.
N_Face said: err..I think what TomoyoVB meant by troll was the picture itself...not you..
I sure was. Part of me still awaits the sequel to BetrayerS... I don't know about Comartemis but I want to see the lethal settings on their devices turned on. And maybe an end where half the cast doesn't end up either family or friends.
The Nanoha series is ALL ABOUT grim&dark, you whiner, it's just hiding out in the background while everyone prances around yakking about love and friendship. Midchildan society's within fifty years of collapse and while Betrayers gets certain details of the magic system wrong, it does nothing more than pull back the curtain that clouds yuri devotees' and shipperfags' eyes and show the reality of the Nanohaverse.
Betrayers is definitely A possible outcome of the Midchildan situation alluded to in StrikerS (half the capital is in ruins even before Jail does anything), SSX (huge civil wars elsewhere on the planet, leaving parts of Midchilda in third-world status), and ViVid. Not a likely one, because of the whole love&friendship thing, but Vivio will almost certainly live long enough to see the destruction or downfall of Midchilda and the rise of the next dominant society.
Gelmax said: The Nanoha series is ALL ABOUT grim&dark, you whiner, it's just hiding out in the background while everyone prances around yakking about love and friendship. Midchildan society's within fifty years of collapse and while Betrayers gets certain details of the magic system wrong, it does nothing more than pull back the curtain that clouds yuri devotees' and shipperfags' eyes and show the reality of the Nanohaverse.
Betrayers is definitely A possible outcome of the Midchildan situation alluded to in StrikerS (half the capital is in ruins even before Jail does anything), SSX (huge civil wars elsewhere on the planet, leaving parts of Midchilda in third-world status), and ViVid. Not a likely one, because of the whole love&friendship thing, but Vivio will almost certainly live long enough to see the destruction or downfall of Midchilda and the rise of the next dominant society.
If it's "hiding out" in the background, how exactly can the series be "all about" it? I saw a lot of redshirt mages in StrikerS but I'm willing to bet the series wasn't actually supposed to be about them instead of RF6.
The "Mid-Childan situation" also isn't quite what you're making it out to be. I can't explain the capital being in ruins (I seem to recall Precia being involved with that somehow, but I might be mistaken), but the civil wars you mention are taking place on Orussia, not on Mid (though I can see where you might've gotten that idea); Rune describes Mid-Childa as a world so peaceful it feels like a dream to her, essentially stating that Orussia isn't a part of that world. There's also a few lines between Rune and Teana where Rune says she might not stay with the bureau and Tea asks if she'll be returning to her homeland; from this we can infer that not only is Orussia not on Mid, it isn't even part of the bureau, thus the conditions there cannot be assumed to be the conditions in the bureau at large.
