Well, truth be told, considering how she blames the "inequality of humans and youkai" to the humans instead of critcizing the Youkais who many also show that discriminatory attitude too, this 2 pictures aren't that off as a proper parody of her statements.

Even more in Gensokyo where it's usually stated that the ones suffering are the humans while they have to stick to many youkai's whim.

So yeah, we may like Byakuren but she needs to learn more about what truly is equality and who really are to blame, and guess what? it isn't 1 racial side, but anybody from each side who won't let it happen.

Mettaur said:
Well, truth be told, considering how she blames the "inequality of humans and youkai" to the humans instead of critcizing the Youkais who many also show that discriminatory attitude too, this 2 pictures aren't that off as a proper parody of her statements.

Even more in Gensokyo where it's usually stated that the ones suffering are the humans while they have to stick to many youkai's whim.

So yeah, we may like Byakuren but she needs to learn more about what truly is equality and who really are to blame, and guess what? it isn't 1 racial side, but anybody from each side who won't let it happen.

Well the ones saying they're suffering are humans themselves, mainly those who'd most likely want to make cities everywhere and repeat history. I get the impression that between humans and humanoid Youkai that there's peace between them, but only within certain boundries.

And you forget that if humans there truly wanted to ruin the balance, it'd just take convincing folks like Reimu to forsake the Spell card rules.

There's the fact that Humans turn whatever supposedly equal goverment into one that favors those in office. And between humans and Youkai, only the former would hunt something to extinction.

In her time (Before getting sealed) Youkai were rather reviled by humanity and were basically on the chopping block figuratively speaking, her lines in UFO reflect this alone and not her post UFO opinions.

Anytime I see crazy youkai sympathizer Byakuren I can only think of Love and Peace by Stripe Pattern.

UnderneathTheWaves said:
Anytime I see crazy youkai sympathizer Byakuren I can only think of Love and Peace by Stripe Pattern.

Ahh that one..

More appropriately: Love and Piece.

"Nuu Hag"?

Stud_McDuudertin said:
"Nuu Hag"?

Supposedly, Byakuren has a meme where her color scheme is similar to RX-93 ν (Nu) Gundam.

StriderTuna said:
Well the ones saying they're suffering are humans themselves, mainly those who'd most likely want to make cities everywhere and repeat history. I get the impression that between humans and humanoid Youkai that there's peace between them, but only within certain boundries.

And you forget that if humans there truly wanted to ruin the balance, it'd just take convincing folks like Reimu to forsake the Spell card rules.

There's the fact that Humans turn whatever supposedly equal goverment into one that favors those in office. And between humans and Youkai, only the former would hunt something to extinction.

In her time (Before getting sealed) Youkai were rather reviled by humanity and were basically on the chopping block figuratively speaking, her lines in UFO reflect this alone and not her post UFO opinions.

As human wanting to make cities you mean the villagers of Gensokyo? Besides, Making cities or not, the youkais that feel like it, still go and attack humans, remember that, many of the local villagers in Gensokyo where hunted by Youkais until Reimu imposed the Spellcard system that somehow gave the humans a better chance of survival, there is also the fact that Youkais breach the boundary to hunt down people from the outside. So it isn't only "those evil humans and their expansionismn" here.

You don't know if Youkais can hunt beings into exctinction, there are stories on which they do hunt a particular species or humans trying to wipe them out of the map or that they try to turn the tables in a matrix esque style and make the humans farm livestock. At least that if we use the general ideas of fiction, since none of either case for both humans and youkais are present in the world of Touhou.

And the whole reviled thingy in the past, while generalization was wrong and exagerate, it wasn't exactly false, why is that? because a great deal of youkais would hunt, attack, murder, etc. innocent humans that the only crime that they commited was to "dare to have a walk" in the outskirt of their village. While considering all the vampires, nekomata, onis, etc. evil is wrong in itself, the stories about the draculaesque vampires, the human harrasing onis and other beings, weren't there just as some sort of "devilification" propaganda, but in a world on which youkai do exist, they are clearly chronicles of events that took place, so while there are good vampires that may not be arrogant fucks that look down on humans and treat them like food and toys, there are also those who do.

The Point is, this clearly isn't "human's being selfish and screwing on everybody" in a past age, both good and bad youkai and humans lived togheter and screwed around each other badly making them be in a continous agressive state, at some point, as humans became more technological than magical, youkais started to weaken and little by little they had to become way more secluded and isolated. Gensokyo became one example of this, but i wouldn't be surprised if there are a few other places like that.

This isn't a "Youkais are the victims and the humans are the opressors" or "Humans are the victims and the Youkais are the opressors" this is "Good Humans and Youkais are victims of the Bad Humans and Youkais", this isn't really a racial fault, like Byakuren ironically implies while preaching equality, but the fault is for those who truly don't want to coexist, which ironically we can't apply to the main characters and playable characters of Touhou since ALL of them, regardless of what they say, 2 minutes later are chilling back in their homes drinking tea with their youkai and human friends like nothing.

Byakure still needs to learn what true equality is and how blaming the humans alone for the mistakes of "those who doesn't want to coexist" (human and youkai alike) is plainly wrong and won't help her. Thankfully she may had realized it since she made her new shrine in the human village, or at least i hope she did get to realize it, since the least the need is a "YOUR BAD FEEL BAD FOR YOUR CRIMES" kind of teaching to that village that before this ex-monk's returns and the present Hakurei Miko, were victims of being hunted by youkais.

Mettaur said:
tl;dr

In your seriousness, you missed the point entirely.

This conversation amuses me, too bad I get bored after the first two or three lines, but for the sake of my amusement, keep it up

Skribulous said:
In your seriousness, you missed the point entirely.

Missed which point? how the pic parodys Byakuren's "You pesky humans you always get in the way of euquality for humans and youkai" statemens in the game?

Of course this pic isn't a serious portrayal, just a parody of how one could feel about her lines in the game by giving her a pseudo yandereish feel instead of her usual "saviour nice gal" feel.

Corrected the translation. She sounds even more yandere now.

jesus christ o.O

Cloud_1987 said:
jesus christ o.O

Byakuren saves!

And takes half damage.

1938 said:
Byakuren saves!

I just got done replaying Breath of Fire two and that line made me want to scream.

lolin86 said:

This conversation amuses me, too bad I get bored after the first two or three lines, but for the sake of my amusement, keep it up

I'm with you there brotha' just hope there is a new argument like this again

So... Any1 of you in the present time, what do you all think of this?

Mettaur said:

Missed which point? how the pic parodys Byakuren's "You pesky humans you always get in the way of euquality for humans and youkai" statemens in the game?

Of course this pic isn't a serious portrayal, just a parody of how one could feel about her lines in the game by giving her a pseudo yandereish feel instead of her usual "saviour nice gal" feel.