Well, this girl not only was near to put a doomsday bomb on the Golden Throne, but even bring mayhem on the Community. Just for that the character have my respect and admiration

I have the same statement here for the neckbeards angry about Lady Kesh as I do for the hypocrites who smugly mock those neckbeard while whining so loudly about Tifa, 2B, Bayonetta, and most recently Eve from Stellar Blade.

It's a fictional character. Why are you getting so upset about lines on a screen?

The_Monk said:

I have the same statement here for the neckbeards angry about Lady Kesh as I do for the hypocrites who smugly mock those neckbeard while whining so loudly about Tifa, 2B, Bayonetta, and most recently Eve from Stellar Blade.

It's a fictional character. Why are you getting so upset about lines on a screen?

Because people who aren't even fans are changing things other people like. I mean, I think it's pretty damn reasonable to be upset that tourists are ruining something that brings you joy. Should people just give up on the things they enjoy while other people destroy them just because "it's just lines on a screen"? It's a lot more than that to a lot of people, or they wouldn't be paying money for it, and it's ridiculous that people that don't even fund the hobby can dictate how that hobby operates.

blindVigil said:

Because people who aren't even fans are changing things other people like. I mean, I think it's pretty damn reasonable to be upset that tourists are ruining something that brings you joy. Should people just give up on the things they enjoy while other people destroy them just because "it's just lines on a screen"? It's a lot more than that to a lot of people, or they wouldn't be paying money for it, and it's ridiculous that people that don't even fund the hobby can dictate how that hobby operates.

Im also annoyed at people farming this controversy for cloud, i doubt those commentators and influencers even give a shit about Warhammer as well. Funny enough is hard to say how many people are upset for this, but i dont trust WH people from reddit since thats an ecochamber as well.

blindVigil said:

Because people who aren't even fans are changing things other people like. I mean, I think it's pretty damn reasonable to be upset that tourists are ruining something that brings you joy. Should people just give up on the things they enjoy while other people destroy them just because "it's just lines on a screen"? It's a lot more than that to a lot of people, or they wouldn't be paying money for it, and it's ridiculous that people that don't even fund the hobby can dictate how that hobby operates.

Nah I call bs on that since before that announcement the fans were praising fanworks of fem and genswap Marines but the moment Warhammer makes fem custodes a real thing suddenly those same people suddenly have a problem. It's just more faux outrage

iori98 said:

Nah I call bs on that since before that announcement the fans were praising fanworks of fem and genswap Marines but the moment Warhammer makes fem custodes a real thing suddenly those same people suddenly have a problem. It's just more faux outrage

Which "fans" were you looking at? Lots of people were angry about the push for female space marines, what are you even talking about? You are describing two separate groups as if they're the same people. Everyone I've seen upset about the custodes are the exact same people that argued against female space marines.

"Faux outrage" from the person just blatantly lying about the discourse.

I mean, even if what you say is true, those are separate issues, aren't they? I can look at FANART of a female space marine, and say "That's hot." and still be upset when decades of official lore is arbitrarily changed with a throw away tweet to appease DEI investers. They're not the same thing.

blindVigil said:

Which "fans" were you looking at? Lots of people were angry about the push for female space marines, what are you even talking about? You are describing two separate groups as if they're the same people. Everyone I've seen upset about the custodes are the exact same people that argued against female space marines.

"Faux outrage" from the person just blatantly lying about the discourse.

I don't know enough about Warhammer to have a real opinion on this change, but I know people are going to end up focusing on the fans making blatantly sexist arguments and treating them as representative of all of the fans arguing against the change, leaving any nuanced discussion and valid criticism by the wayside. We've seen this many times before.

I mean, even if what you say is true, those are separate issues, aren't they? I can look at FANART of a female space marine, and say "That's hot." and still be upset when decades of official lore is arbitrarily changed with a throw away tweet to appease DEI investers. They're not the same thing.

This.

blindVigil said:

Because people who aren't even fans are changing things other people like. I mean, I think it's pretty damn reasonable to be upset that tourists are ruining something that brings you joy. Should people just give up on the things they enjoy while other people destroy them just because "it's just lines on a screen"? It's a lot more than that to a lot of people, or they wouldn't be paying money for it, and it's ridiculous that people that don't even fund the hobby can dictate how that hobby operates.

"People who aren't even fans" haven't changed a thing. It's the company doing it, the same company and people that have been in charge all along. This mindset is how you get dipshits on twitter calling Gary Chalk a tourist. The Custodes references to being all male were always hand in hand with them being a mysterious organization that we knew next to nothing about, Aaron Bowden said years ago that it wasn't intended for there to be the impression of absolutes in whether Custodes were male exclusive, but that he was told not to write about female Custodes for the sole reason that they hadn't yet produced a relevant line of miniatures to sell along with characters. On that note one of the commonly cited passages about their recruitment is even followed by the in universe admission that the person writing doesn't actually know anything for real, because the Custodes do not talk to anyone about their practices. For almost the entire Imperium they are a collection of gold-clad warriors that defend the Emperor, and they know nothing more. Even those who chanced to see one would never know more than that it was a Custodes.

This whole thing is ridiculous. Entire factions have come, gone, or changed their core characterization with less than a shit given. The culture warriors who openly admit they'll abandon Warhammer unless GW throw in the towel and follow their political allegiance to the letter aren't the people who like female custodes being introduced, they're the ones complaining now, quitting now, and wishing for the downfall of something they claim to love now, because it introduced an infinitesimal detail to a handful of characters in a vast universe. And they join in with a pile of genuine non-fans who are making YouTube video after YouTube video to grift off of it.

Frankly if those people want to portray it as an "outsiders come in" problem, which is patently ridiculous given that many on the opposite side have been around for decades, buying figures, books, playing games either in person or digital, being fans of the work rather than toxic on twitter for clout; then even in their own version of events THEY have fucked themselves over by spending years screaming that they'll gatekeep and slam the doors shut on anyone else, which makes them utter dead weight to a corporate entity. Corporations love growth. They love fans that make other people want to be fans. They are categorically going to tune out a bunch of fans that scream to the heavens that they want the opposite.

As for me, I am just bothered by that stupid haircut. Seriously, is that the only female hairstyle that exists these days?

matteste said:

As for me, I am just bothered by that stupid haircut. Seriously, is that the only female hairstyle that exists these days?

It's the "strong independent woman" hairstyle. If your female character doesn't have that haircut, it won't work with the social media centric fanbase.

Karesh said:

"People who aren't even fans" haven't changed a thing. It's the company doing it, the same company and people that have been in charge all along. This mindset is how you get dipshits on twitter calling Gary Chalk a tourist. The Custodes references to being all male were always hand in hand with them being a mysterious organization that we knew next to nothing about, Aaron Bowden said years ago that it wasn't intended for there to be the impression of absolutes in whether Custodes were male exclusive, but that he was told not to write about female Custodes for the sole reason that they hadn't yet produced a relevant line of miniatures to sell along with characters. On that note one of the commonly cited passages about their recruitment is even followed by the in universe admission that the person writing doesn't actually know anything for real, because the Custodes do not talk to anyone about their practices. For almost the entire Imperium they are a collection of gold-clad warriors that defend the Emperor, and they know nothing more. Even those who chanced to see one would never know more than that it was a Custodes.

This whole thing is ridiculous. Entire factions have come, gone, or changed their core characterization with less than a shit given. The culture warriors who openly admit they'll abandon Warhammer unless GW throw in the towel and follow their political allegiance to the letter aren't the people who like female custodes being introduced, they're the ones complaining now, quitting now, and wishing for the downfall of something they claim to love now, because it introduced an infinitesimal detail to a handful of characters in a vast universe. And they join in with a pile of genuine non-fans who are making YouTube video after YouTube video to grift off of it.

Frankly if those people want to portray it as an "outsiders come in" problem, which is patently ridiculous given that many on the opposite side have been around for decades, buying figures, books, playing games either in person or digital, being fans of the work rather than toxic on twitter for clout; then even in their own version of events THEY have fucked themselves over by spending years screaming that they'll gatekeep and slam the doors shut on anyone else, which makes them utter dead weight to a corporate entity. Corporations love growth. They love fans that make other people want to be fans. They are categorically going to tune out a bunch of fans that scream to the heavens that they want the opposite.

problem is
this entire sutuation is bcs GW wants cheap investment money and dont care about thier fans, lore and all that stuff. Classic corpo thing.

wisdomelf said:

problem is
this entire sutuation is bcs GW wants cheap investment money and dont care about thier fans, lore and all that stuff. Classic corpo thing.

Yes, they want money. That has been the case for decades. They care about their fans as the same as always. The problem, such that it is, is that a group of fans think they are the ONLY fans when they're not. Hell, forget it being that they're the only ones. A huge chunk of the people trying to turn back the clock have no interest in Warhammer at all! The amount of times this week alone I have seen A call B tourist because they aren't mad about female Custodes, only for A to eventually admit they aren't even in the hobby at all, is crazy. Or to respond to somebody posting their models accusing them of being the problem with Warhammer just because they're a woman or gay or trans or whatever the hell else. There's so much that could be complained about with how the franchise is being run, especially in regards to community outreach and how they've treated people who have created things that do more to draw in new fans than ever before, that it blows my mind people are snapping over this. Which does not actually matter.

The whole stuff is super hilarious to me because the lore changes ALL the time with constant rewrites, retcons and whatnot since the second edition decades ago.
Remember Squats who is rewritten to become the Leagues of Votann? or Leman Russ being an ordinary Space Marine in the 1st edition?.

Also calling GW greedy solely because female Custodes is just peak tourist behavior to me.
Like holy shite people who actually in the hobby even a little knew this already since a long time ago.
I weep for AdMech players every day.

Admittedly the way GW handled it could be better, but this is a company who let Matt Ward under their employment, so competence aren't their strong suit.
Ultimately IT DOES NOT MATTER like the person above me said.
FemCustodes would probably be retconned in 10 years or so because GeeDubs wanted to cut corners not sculpting new models for them.

Iorsfel-tan said:

The whole stuff is super hilarious to me because the lore changes ALL the time with constant rewrites, retcons and whatnot since the second edition decades ago.
Remember Squats who is rewritten to become the Leagues of Votann? or Leman Russ being an ordinary Space Marine in the 1st edition?..

My favorite is the Bretonnians, first a highly decadent society functionally existing as a great big Slaneshi cult, then a "Chivalric" society of Arthurian Questing Knights that float somewhere between "Noble but disconnected to the peasants" and "Downright thinks their horses are more human than peasants are".

matteste said:

As for me, I am just bothered by that stupid haircut. Seriously, is that the only female hairstyle that exists these days?

Given that the artist gave this particular Custodes Nahuatl-looking features, I'm guessing they were riffing on the design of the Shorn Ones, the partially-shaven elite soldiers who lived in the palace of the Aztec emperor.

Macharius said:

Well, this girl not only was near to put a doomsday bomb on the Golden Throne, but even bring mayhem on the Community. Just for that the character have my respect and admiration

heretic, the inquisition will come

Ashkanie1 said:

heretic, the inquisition will come

I´m under the Aquilan Shield protection. the Inquisition can lick my nuts!