Just a couple of weeks ago I noticed Fauna was the last Holocouncil to still be under 1 million subscribers, now she probably won't ever reach it, and that's a damn shame EDIT: She got it!
Fauna has such a kind, motherly personality, I feel that is going to make this graduation more emotionally devastating than any other for me.
She cited "disagreement with management" as the reason, with no elaboration, as usual. I get the impression that either she really, really wanted to do so something management didn't want her to do, or that management wanted her to do something she really, really didn't want to do.
Just a couple of weeks ago I noticed Fauna was the last Holocouncil to still be under 1 million subscribers, now she probably won't ever reach it, and that's a damn shame
Fauna has such a kind, motherly personality, I feel that is going to make this graduation more emotionally devastating than any other for me.
She cited "disagreement with management" as the reason, with no elaboration, as usual. I get the impression that either she really, really wanted to do so something management didn't want her to do, or that management wanted her to do something she really, really didn't want to do.
I believe it's because of Hololive management wanting to put more emphasis on concerts and other live events over streaming. While she did say she wanted to be an idol I wouldn't be surprised if she wanted to do more regular gaming streams and ASMR like she used to.
I believe it's because of Hololive management wanting to put more emphasis on concerts and other live events over streaming. While she did say she wanted to be an idol I wouldn't be surprised if she wanted to do more regular gaming streams and ASMR like she used to.
What I don't get about this, is that if they want more of that stuff, why don't they just stop hiring streamers and hire idols? Rocking the boat with existing talents that didn't build their fanbases on that stuff doesn't look like it's working.
Please do not let the fans adopt the name of HoloLEAVE after KUROSANJI fiasco...
Please do, more people need to understand that for-profit companies that make their money by suckering people into parasocial relationships are NOT their friend. They are all ultimately manipulative wolves in human clothing, the only difference is how well they can keep the mask on.
Please do, more people need to understand that for-profit companies that make their money by suckering people into parasocial relationships are NOT their friend. They are all ultimately manipulative wolves in human clothing, the only difference is how well they can keep the mask on.
It's the new policy coming from the shareholders. Remember that they are (still) trying to remove Yagoo from the presidential position and have been pushing for more concerts after seeing the shares price skyrocketing.
What I don't get about this, is that if they want more of that stuff, why don't they just stop hiring streamers and hire idols? Rocking the boat with existing talents that didn't build their fanbases on that stuff doesn't look like it's working.
Certain companies, especially those who are bound by shareholders, often end up thinking only 3 months ahead to the next fiscal quarter. So it becomes an ever-cascading series of necessarily short-sighted decisions that are designed to execute on what will make more money right now, regardless of other factors. You can't take time to pivot and reorient you business because you need to make more money this quarter than you did last quarter above all else.
Even if all the decision-makers can tell it's not the best thing to do in the long run, they are often bound by economic and sometimes legal duty to do what is best for shareholders, who profit not off of continued steady revenue and growth, but selling their stake in the company after it made more money than when they bought it.
The fact that she's not moving to "affiliate" status like Ame and Chloe coupled with the vague reason for leaving creates a lot of room for speculation. A lot of people are saying it's due to the more idol-focused direction the company is moving in and honestly I agree. I'm seeing a lot of shade being thrown at Cover and Hololive over this which is a good thing I feel. Up to this point a lot of criticism towards the company has been buried and ignored especially on the EN side of things. This whole situation is a good reminder that even though Hololive is seen as the "good corpo" there's still the very real possibility that things are not so bright and cheery behind the scenes. Cover is still a corporation at the end of the day with greedy shareholders and lots of room for mistakes and should be treated as such. I'm not saying they're a full on black company now but I wouldn't be surprised if more members left because of management or even "management" issues.
Regardless of how you feel about Cover, the best course of action is to voice our anger and dissatisfaction directly at them. JP fans are also upset at Cover's management, and Cover has corrected their course after major incidents before (see: Aloé, Coco, Rushia). We can prevent things from getting worse, but simply complaining into the void won't accomplish anything.
What I don't get about this, is that if they want more of that stuff, why don't they just stop hiring streamers and hire idols? Rocking the boat with existing talents that didn't build their fanbases on that stuff doesn't look like it's working.
I mean Holopro's identity was always that it is an idol Vtuber agency, anyone who signed on should already knew idol activities and idol culture is going to be part of the deal.
Yes, they're idol STREAMERS, so now it's up to the individual to interpret how much of the job should be idol stuffs and how much of it should be streaming. Fauna, and maybe Ame, given that they're not music oriented, probably expects to do the latter, while COVER investors are probably drooling to turn everyone into Suisei clones.
If they wanted to hire actual idols, they'd have to compete with actual idols, with fans who would prefer full on idols rather than idol-streamers, but in the Vtuber market they already got total dominance on the market. That's the easy answer why they wouldn't just flip to "hire actual idols".
Same story everywhere in every industries "investors don't understand the market, don't give a shit about workers, but they just want the money".
Certain companies, especially those who are bound by shareholders,
Cover's shareholders have nearly no control or imput in the company. Since it didn't go 100% public trade Remember the incident of one shareholder suggesting they stop paying the talents, a-la Nijisanji, and Yagoo famously shouting that person down?
What I don't get about this, is that if they want more of that stuff, why don't they just stop hiring streamers and hire idols? Rocking the boat with existing talents that didn't build their fanbases on that stuff doesn't look like it's working.
Most of their massive western fanbase couldn't care less about idols and the idol business is a competitive one. Dumping streaming for idoling completely isn't just leaving money on the table, it is setting it on fire. Cover has found a very profitable niche as a hybrid of the two and until that niche dies out they have every reason to stay in it. If that means some of their talent jumps ship because they just want to stream then so be it, there will always be more hopefuls willing to fill the gap and do both. Talents can be replaced with new talents, but money left on the table will stay there.
If that means some of their talent jumps ship because they just want to stream then so be it, there will always be more hopefuls willing to fill the gap and do both. Talents can be replaced with new talents, but money left on the table will stay there.
Considering the whole Selene/dokibird fuck up and how easily she was able to pivot to indie streaming and I'm inclined to heavily disagree on the replacability of talents. Internet fame is primarily driven by individual personality, or at least percieved personality. There's a performance aspect to it that's easily replaceable, like in sports or performance arts (like traditional idols/pop singers here in the west), but that's not the main draw typically.
I'm sorry friend, I believe that unless doing it could harm the talent in some way we should stop the past life/other life taboo, specially in circunstancies like these
The fact that she's not moving to "affiliate" status like Ame and Chloe coupled with the vague reason for leaving creates a lot of room for speculation. A lot of people are saying it's due to the more idol-focused direction the company is moving in and honestly I agree. I'm seeing a lot of shade being thrown at Cover and Hololive over this which is a good thing I feel. Up to this point a lot of criticism towards the company has been buried and ignored especially on the EN side of things. This whole situation is a good reminder that even though Hololive is seen as the "good corpo" there's still the very real possibility that things are not so bright and cheery behind the scenes. Cover is still a corporation at the end of the day with greedy shareholders and lots of room for mistakes and should be treated as such. I'm not saying they're a full on black company now but I wouldn't be surprised if more members left because of management or even "management" issues.
I hope it doesnt get bad to the point that the newer gens get their soul crushed and sucked out of them...
I hope it doesnt get bad to the point that the newer gens get their soul crushed and sucked out of them...
Nah. New gens will just use hololive to get experience and popularity that once things go out of hand, they are free to ditch it and become an indie vtuber or something.
Cover's shareholders have nearly no control or imput in the company. Since it didn't go 100% public trade Remember the incident of one shareholder suggesting they stop paying the talents, a-la Nijisanji, and Yagoo famously shouting that person down?
Yup. How quick they forget.
Prolly an internal fuck-up, if that. Unlike the other company, they'll learn and adapt. Just remember the Holo Crisis Mantra, "In Fubuki We Trust." As long as she remains a part of the company, we should have nothing to worry about.
Considering the whole Selene/dokibird fuck up and how easily she was able to pivot to indie streaming and I'm inclined to heavily disagree on the replacability of talents. Internet fame is primarily driven by individual personality, or at least percieved personality. There's a performance aspect to it that's easily replaceable, like in sports or performance arts (like traditional idols/pop singers here in the west), but that's not the main draw typically.
See, you're thinking like an average joe, and not an executive. From our place on the ground, you can see the how x-factors like personality make a talent unique and irreplaceable, how no one can serve their niche in quite the same way.
Executives can't, they're too high up the chain of command to see those things. You can't see what makes people crowd around a talent when you're looking down from so high they all blur together. All their information on our level comes in the form of numbers piped up to them by equations. Anything that can't be abstracted into a number, like those x-factors, can't fit in those equations, so the execs know nothing about their value. Even if you could somehow bring those factors up to them, the execs will always defer to the numbers because they don't lie, doing otherwise brings in risk and they will never take risks if they can avoid it. An executive who decides to ignore the numbers is a ship captain sailing into open seas without navigation; 5% they luck out and come back with treasure, 95% of the time they become seafood.
An executive knows that, so they won't risk being part of the 95% unless they think there's something REALLY good in the 5% bracket, especially when they're captaining a ship worth billions of yen. So they break out the sextant, they follow the numbers, and they leave behind anyone who won't follow them. Talents are replaceable to them because they are abstracted to resources which can always be replaced or made up for, and all the things that say otherwise will be ignored because they can't fit into a number. And until the numbers say stop or people start banging their door to say stop, they will stay that course.
I'm sorry friend, I believe that unless doing it could harm the talent in some way we should stop the past life/other life taboo, specially in circunstancies like these
I feel a major part of the appeal of vtubing, to people who would become vtubers, is the idea that they can reach a huge number of people while retaining anonymity. Thus they achieve something normally impossible, to simultaneously have fame and privacy. We should keep this in mind.
I feel a major part of the appeal of vtubing, to people who would become vtubers, is the idea that they can reach a huge number of people while retaining anonymity. Thus they achieve something normally impossible, to simultaneously have fame and privacy. We should keep this in mind.
That's why I said "unless doing it could harm the talent" I'm not doxing Fauna, LemonLeaf was her Vtuber persona before joining Hololive
See, you're thinking like an average joe, and not an executive. From our place on the ground, you can see the how x-factors like personality make a talent unique and irreplaceable, how no one can serve their niche in quite the same way.
Executives can't, they're too high up the chain of command to see those things. You can't see what makes people crowd around a talent when you're looking down from so high they all blur together. All their information on our level comes in the form of numbers piped up to them by equations. Anything that can't be abstracted into a number, like those x-factors, can't fit in those equations, so the execs know nothing about their value. Even if you could somehow bring those factors up to them, the execs will always defer to the numbers because they don't lie, doing otherwise brings in risk and they will never take risks if they can avoid it. An executive who decides to ignore the numbers is a ship captain sailing into open seas without navigation; 5% they luck out and come back with treasure, 95% of the time they become seafood.
An executive knows that, so they won't risk being part of the 95% unless they think there's something REALLY good in the 5% bracket, especially when they're captaining a ship worth billions of yen. So they break out the sextant, they follow the numbers, and they leave behind anyone who won't follow them. Talents are replaceable to them because they are abstracted to resources which can always be replaced or made up for, and all the things that say otherwise will be ignored because they can't fit into a number. And until the numbers say stop or people start banging their door to say stop, they will stay that course.
Unfortunately That's every major corporation. It's not always black and white as you describe but in the end revenue/profit and what direction in genreal they want the company to go will often change the course of the company.
Tomorrow my place could decide to to make changes on how the company is ran, from drastic all the way down to minor changes. It could be something very simple that I personally don't agree with. It doesn't have to be life altering. But at that time I'll have the choice to stay or part ways for a different endeavor.
Others have said it best, a "disagreement with management" is a very very broad statement and doesn't necessarily mean it must come with a negative connotation even though it's the first that comes to mind. I feel that's some of the worst things to come from this, are the assumptions of what caused this, when in all likelihood we'll never know.
