Ok, serious question. Why is it that in seemingly so many black wash art, they give the character stereotypical black person hair? Curly hair, afros, dreads. It seems like a weirdly ubiquitous design trend or whatever.
Ok, serious question. Why is it that in seemingly so many black wash art, they give the character stereotypical black person hair? Curly hair, afros, dreads. It seems like a weirdly ubiquitous design trend or whatever.
Because that is what the artist envisioned when designing the character. Simple.
Because that is what the artist envisioned when designing the character. Simple.
Doesn't that sound kinda fucked up then? The automatic assumption that, when making a character black, they HAVE to have curly hair, or an afro, or dreads, or whatever. There really is a large amount of race swap art where the now black character now has some stereotypical black person hair do. Not just from this artist, but other artists who do black race swaps.
Why are these hair styles so seemingly ubiquitous when people draw black race swaps? Why do so many different artists draw these characters like that? It'd be one thing to change their skin. It's another when seemingly 90% of them all have stereotypical black person hair.
Doesn't that sound kinda fucked up then? The automatic assumption that, when making a character black, they HAVE to have curly hair, or an afro, or dreads, or whatever. There really is a large amount of race swap art where the now black character now has some stereotypical black person hair do. Not just from this artist, but other artists who do black race swaps.
Why are these hair styles so seemingly ubiquitous when people draw black race swaps? Why do so many different artists draw these characters like that. It'd be one thing to change their skin? It's another when seemingly 90% of them all have stereotypical black person hair.
It might be because those hairstyles and discrimination against said hairstyles are a hot-button topic within black communities. For example, the pressure to be more "white" (their words, not mine) by straightening their hair. If wanting to see more black representation in these franchises is one of the reasons this kind of art is made, it makes sense that this would also extend to these hairstyles, which tend to be looked down upon (at least when black people wear them).
And this doesn't necessarily contradict Farm's point, either. The desire to see these hairstyles could be subconscious and they might not be intending it to be a statement on representation.
Disclaimer: I am assuming most of these artists are black themselves and would be much better judges of what is good representation than I am.
Doesn't that sound kinda fucked up then? The automatic assumption that, when making a character black, they HAVE to have curly hair, or an afro, or dreads, or whatever. There really is a large amount of race swap art where the now black character now has some stereotypical black person hair do. Not just from this artist, but other artists who do black race swaps.
Why are these hair styles so seemingly ubiquitous when people draw black race swaps? Why do so many different artists draw these characters like that. It'd be one thing to change their skin? It's another when seemingly 90% of them all have stereotypical black person hair.
I don't see it politicality. Whatever in their mind, it is pretty obviously a malicious way of alternating a character's apperance. Just because they're originally black/white. As if it is defacing in some point.
It might be because those hairstyles and discrimination against said hairstyles are a hot-button topic within black communities. For example, the pressure to be more "white" (their words, not mine) by straightening their hair. If wanting to see more black representation in these franchises is one of the reasons this kind of art is made, it makes sense that this would also extend to these hairstyles, which tend to be looked down upon (at least when black people wear them).
You'll also see a lot of artists get hate comments for drawing black characters with straight hair. It's basically taboo if you don't want to be attacked by your own side. Even post #8531516 got comments like that, requiring the artist to explain that Momo was Latina, not black, as if that somehow wasn't obvious.
Which really just shows how stupid all this is. The Twitter mob really believes that every single character that has even a hint of melanin is black, as if other races just don't exist to them.
Why is it that in seemingly so many black wash art, they give the character stereotypical black person hair? Curly hair, afros, dreads. It seems like a weirdly ubiquitous design trend or whatever.
Won't get in the matter of race swapping, but as for the hair style, then stereotypical is the wrong word here. These are natural hairstyles for people of African descent that work with their natural hair texture. Other hairstyles would require straightening to achieve. If you're depicting a character of African descent and wish to emphasize that, you'd depict them with a natural hairstyle due to people of African ancestry having even the texture of their hair used as a target of discrimination against them.
Just look at the hair styles of black people living in Africa and you'll see the same or similar hair styles. These are just the natural hair styles that evolved to work with what they're born with.
Ok, serious question. Why is it that in seemingly so many black wash art, they give the character stereotypical black person hair? Curly hair, afros, dreads. It seems like a weirdly ubiquitous design trend or whatever.
This is a response to the lack of black representation in media
This is a response to the lack of black representation in media
I do not like this argument. I find raceswapping to be lazy and uncreative. If you want more diversity and representation, make your own black characters and stories and OCs and etc. I'm not interested in some sort of "alt universe" where it's just "Dragon Ball but Goku is black." That's boring. I would be more interested in a story about a black character within the Dragon Ball universe, or in the creator's own personal universe. Their own personal OCs that are black, or latino, or whatever minority that isn't white.
This is a response to the lack of black representation in media
I've never liked that response because its hypocritical. It ignores characters who are black/dark skinned in favor of more popular characters, ironically making the lack of representation worse. I'd rather them just be honest and say they just wanted to draw this character black instead since that's something I can relate to. Though that statement only applies if your doing it for fun and not as some kneejerk/racist move to generate controversy.
I've never liked that response because its hypocritical. It ignores characters who are black/dark skinned in favor of more popular characters, ironically making the lack of representation worse. I'd rather them just be honest and say they just wanted to draw this character black instead since that's something I can relate to. Though that statement only applies if your doing it for fun and not as some kneejerk/racist move to generate controversy.
most if not all of these are for fun, but they still get harassed anyway.
the recent dandandan situation is literally this, it was a 16 yr old trying to have fun but got attacked by racists from all over anitwitter
most if not all of these are for fun, but they still get harassed anyway.
the recent dandandan situation is literally this, it was a 16 yr old trying to have fun but got attacked by racists from all over anitwitter
How gullible people are? Dandadan was racebait done by person with full history doing racebaits. It was trace from other work with changed skin color with minor changes in hair. There are plenty of beatifully drawn black characters no one has anything against (Everyone love ones in Bleach for example), what sensible people are against are racebaiting and pure defilement for clicks.
How gullible people are? Dandadan was racebait done by person with full history doing racebaits. It was trace from other work with changed skin color with minor changes in hair. There are plenty of beatifully drawn black characters no one has anything against (Everyone love ones in Bleach for example), what sensible people are against are racebaiting and pure defilement for clicks.
you have proof of the artists doing racebaits before? and dude not everyone does this, it's as much of a what if fanart as people that sex swap characters
you have proof of the artists doing racebaits before? and dude not everyone does this, it's as much of a what if fanart as people that sex swap characters
Erhm. I did not think it was that hard to check artist post history and form opinions that one would need to make guide with red circles, pointing arrows or make loud obnoxious react video about it.
Proved me wrong. I hope someone will find time to make those for you.
Erhm. I did not think it was that hard to check artist post history and form opinions that one would need to make guide with red circles, pointing arrows or make loud obnoxious react video about it.
Proved me wrong. I hope someone will find time to make those for you.
you made a big claim, I asked you to back it up. I wouldn’t know what to look for and if I’d interpret it in the same way as you. Idk why you gotta be so goddamn rude about it when I simply asked for proof.
This is a response to the lack of black representation in media
I have no problem with people choosing to draw any character how they please, but I always find this argument a bit silly since it doesn't actually change anything representation-wise. It can just be because you want to draw what a character looks like Black, you know, it doesn't always have to be for a cause. That's just my thoughts on it, though.
Ok, serious question. Why is it that in seemingly so many black wash art, they give the character stereotypical black person hair? Curly hair, afros, dreads. It seems like a weirdly ubiquitous design trend or whatever.
....because these are common black hairstyles? These aren't anymore "stereotypical" than a white woman having long straight hair. What kinda question is this?
I have no problem with people choosing to draw any character how they please, but I always find this argument a bit silly since it doesn't actually change anything representation-wise. It can just be because you want to draw what a character looks like Black, you know, it doesn't always have to be for a cause. That's just my thoughts on it, though.
The point of these piece is not to change the representation ratio or end racism. It’s to have fun and make people especially persons of color happy while responding to the lack of representation in media in general. That’s it. Not that deep.
I do not like this argument. I find raceswapping to be lazy and uncreative. If you want more diversity and representation, make your own black characters and stories and OCs and etc. I'm not interested in some sort of "alt universe" where it's just "Dragon Ball but Goku is black." That's boring. I would be more interested in a story about a black character within the Dragon Ball universe, or in the creator's own personal universe. Their own personal OCs that are black, or latino, or whatever minority that isn't white.
I don’t care about what you like or not And even tho people start doing their own shit people will still trash on them. It’s just drawings and I don’t understand why you are so pressed about this (or maybe I do but hey no fast assumptions ok?). You guys were dead silent with Brazilian Miku
It’s just drawings and I don’t understand why you are so pressed about this (or maybe I do but hey no fast assumptions ok?).
From what I've seen, some people are conflating these artists with the "there, I fixed it" crowd and people who get upset when a slightly lighter skin tone is used for a dark-skinned character. Thus, they see them as hypocrites and/or artist harassers. A few of them probably are, but I think they're greatly overestimating the overlap of these groups.
You guys were dead silent with Brazilian Miku
I remember seeing a justification made for this, and it was something along the lines of how Miku can be anything and is for all nationalities, so there's presumably more freedom for the fan artist to change her to however they wish. Which falls flat when you realize people will disregard artist intention and canon all the time when it suits them for things like shipping and personality changes. Granted, there are plenty of people that hate those too, but more people seem to consider it a faux pas to complain about them then they do for complaining about raceswapping.
