If anything, I feel that hiding explicit posts from all basic users would be a good idea. When I was only a member, it made me think hard about what I should upload because I wanted that privileged account.
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Really? I think I'm more concerned about my posts since I got a privileged account, because I don't want to lose it xD
Whoa, people are talking as if the old site was a bad site. I loved it. I submitted to the new moderation standards because I understood the need to limit the traffic of the site, but still, I think the idea of old danbooru was beautiful.
Hillside_Moose said: You do know that a good chunk of the non-anime posts were uploaded by albert himself, right?
Years ago, when it was allowed. And...? Seems irrelevant. *Who* uploaded something doesn't change anything. If you notice, he doesn'y upload anything like that anymore, because the site itself has changed.
aldeayeah said: Whoa, people are talking as if the old site was a bad site. I loved it. I submitted to the new moderation standards because I understood the need to limit the traffic of the site, but still, I think the idea of old danbooru was beautiful.
I don't know about that, I instead remember when it became such a bandwidth sucking cesspool of crap that albert kicked everyone out except hand-picked invites =P
+1 for user-only porn. That would, at the very least, send a message about the nature of the site. And make it possible to link to posts semi-safely, too.
+1 for cleanup, the pool is a good idea as it makes the process visible and less one-sided. Although I have myself refrained from touching many old posts, I feel that whilst doing something like retroactively subjecting old posts to mod queue would be excessive, removing the worst apples can only do the site good.
+1 for not sparing old albert's uploads, I speak as the one demodded for deleting his porn :). It was long ago, the site didn't have any rules back then. The situation is very different today.
jxh2154 said:
Years ago, when it was allowed. And...? Seems irrelevant. *Who* uploaded something doesn't change anything. If you notice, he doesn'y upload anything like that anymore, because the site itself has changed.
I suppose you got me there.
Really though, this thread's a bit silly to me. I thought the issue of bad posts getting in was fixed with the moderator approval queue?
Hillside_Moose said: Really though, this thread's a bit silly to me. I thought the issue of bad posts getting in was fixed with the moderator approval queue?
There are a couple issues. The mod queue is absolutely necessary, but not perfect.
1) Contributors don't get modded, and not every Contributor is a good uploader. We do try to screen, but all you can rate someone on is what they do until the point you invite them. Absolutely nothing stops them from uploading crap later. And it's hard to police them all.
2) Yes, there's a queue, but it's ~80% bad. And the queue gets very long and very unwieldy. Right now it's at ~180 images and that's waaaaay smaller than it's been lately. The little bar in my browser's scrollbar isn't compressed to a superthin pancake for once, so you know there's gotta be like half as much as usual.
3) When the queue gets full of crap, it gets easier to miss the good stuff. When I have five screens in a row of bad porn, there's a chance I'm going to accidentally skim over that one nice image sandwiched between the nonsense. (Good uploaders never seem to be the ones flooding - a pity.)
So the mod queue is great but anything that could help would be appreciated.
I don't know what the mod queue looks like, but...
Don't you have any way to tell the system "No way I'm going to approve this", and make the post disappear permanently from your view of the queue? Since you've already reviewed it and dismissed it, you don't want to see it anymore.
I don't know how the queue looks/operates, but I'll throw this out on the off-chance I get something right: if there was a "order:user" tag to sort by user, and posts could be deleted with the ease that posts can be removed from pools (just clicking the thumbnail), then that would be a possible counter against people who upload a bunch of bad doujin images (or whatever) all at once. You see one image, connect the dots, and clean house. Throw in thin vertical bars between users as a bonus.
Or maybe many are uploading little instead of few uploading lots, and this is the wrong problem anyway?
1) Contributors wouldn't be affected at all by the implements suggested in this thread, because while newcomers might get the message with a low-quality purge or more restrictive access, contributors will continue to post whatever they want. Most contributors seem to be well-established within danbooru too, seeing how I haven't seen any standard member/privileged user getting promoted since my time here (at least, not publicly). A mod in a different thread suggested demoting consistently bad contributors, but the same mod mentioned that it would also put more strain within the mod queue.
2) The inundation of posts in the mod queue can be remedied somewhat by alerting janitors/mods not pulling their weight or have gone AWOL. That or asking albert to hold another janitor recruitment fair.
3) Isn't this what the auto-deletion appeal threads are for? Granted, some posters aren't that dedicated to the promotion of fine (anime) art.
More or less. You still need to see all the post to know what's shit and what deserves to be approved.
And when 80% (or more) of the pics are utterly crap, you tend to miss the good ones sometimes (even if they are sorted).
2) The inundation of posts in the mod queue can be remedied somewhat by alerting janitors/mods not pulling their weight or have gone AWOL. That or asking albert to hold another janitor recruitment fair.
Excuse me but what's the point of having more janitors? Isn't about the length of the queue, is about users uploading crap.
The queue is that large because nobody wants to approve those pics.
I don't mind a queue with 200 pics if those are good.
Hillside_Moose said: 1) Contributors wouldn't be affected at all by the implements suggested in this thread
I was explaining why the mod queue isn't the be-all/end-all, this was just one reason. And any contributor who started uploading numerous rule breaking images would eventually get found and demoted.
seeing how I haven't seen any standard member/privileged user getting promoted since my time here (at least, not publicly).
Since when have promotions been public? Of course you wouldn't "see" it.
2) The inundation of posts in the mod queue can be remedied somewhat by alerting janitors/mods not pulling their weight or have gone AWOL. That or asking albert to hold another janitor recruitment fair.
No that's not the point... it's huge not because there aren't enough mods, it's huge because it's full of bad. 10,000 janitors wouldn't help if there were nothing worth approving. Remember, we don't delete the bad from the queue, so it just accumulates until it hits three days.
3) Isn't this what the auto-deletion appeal threads are for? Granted, some posters aren't that dedicated to the promotion of fine (anime) art.
Ideally, they shouldn't have to resort to that. I'd rather see all the good posts the first time through, not rely on the uploader to notice it was deleted, know the thread exists, and post to it. The thread is important, but it's not a total solution by itself.
RaisingK said: if there was a "order:user" tag to sort by user
Not really, but you can view all of a specific user's current uploads in the queue. This is what I do when I see a good image, I immediately bring up all that users other unapproved images. If one is good, there's a chance the others will be too. That way I can make sure that I at least get *their* images a full look.
and posts could be deleted with the ease that posts can be removed from pools (just clicking the thumbnail)
Deletion is labor intensive at this point, yes, but 1) we're not supposed to delete things in the queue, unless they break rules and 2) it's probably made a little harder to delete so you're forced to look at the full image first. In general, this is a good idea, just to be safe and limit snap deletions of images. Though if you *know* you have 30 images to delete, not having a quick delete option can be a pain.
Or maybe many are uploading little instead of few uploading lots, and this is the wrong problem anyway?
Depressingly, it seems like the people using all their upload slots are never the ones with the good uploads. Good uploaders only seem to do like 2-3 at a time =P
Lots of cg/bad doujin floods, not so much in the way of good post floods.
aldeayeah said:
I don't know what the mod queue looks like, but...Don't you have any way to tell the system "No way I'm going to approve this", and make the post disappear permanently from your view of the queue? Since you've already reviewed it and dismissed it, you don't want to see it anymore.
We could flag it, and it would drop down to the Flagged for Deletion section. It seems people would rather have the image expire after 3 days rather than flag it though.
RaisingK said:
Would it help if they were ordered by users? This doesn't have to involve an actual metatag.
This would actually ruin the only way Janitors/Mods have of really communicating between each other, which is that posts that are left alone build up at the bottom of the queue. Most Mod/Janitors know that going down there almost guarantees bad images.
roastbeefy said:
Out of curiosity: How is the queue displayed? Just like any other post search?
No, it's an altogether different page. Just one extremely fucking long column of post thumbnails (in order from most recently posted to almost-expired). Each thumbnail is accompanied by some data on the right (uploader, score, rating, tags) and a checkbox on the left. You approve posts en masse by selecting the checkboxes of the posts you want to approve, then scrolling waaay down to the bottom where there is an "approve" button.
Suggestion for design of the queue, by the way: set it up so that clicking on a thumbnail would load swap the thumbnail for the sample image and vice versa, and have some small link on the side to approve each individual post. The checkboxes system is kind of clunky, IMO.