there are a number of tags that need to have some common alias or implication:
hand_on_head
hand_over_mouth
covering_mouth
covering_eyes
facepalm
cover_eyes
covering_ears
mouth_cover
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I'd nominate:
{mouth_cover, hand_over_mouth} -> covering_mouth
{cover_eyes} -> covering_eyes
Hand_on_head, covering_eyes, and facepalm seem fine left as is.
I don't know that we should do any further unification grouping beyond that.
EDIT: Actually after checking, there are less than a handful of posts in cover_eyes, and mouth_cover, so I don't see that even an alias would be neccessary.
Hand_over_mouth however is a majority-use tag, in which case we might want to reverse the alias I suggest above.
Updated by Shinjidude
I'm necroing this because the state of the hand-mouth tags is still confusing. We currently have:
A lot of the confusion could be cleared up by adding wiki definitions for hand_over_mouth and hand_to_mouth. Then we could either let hand_over_mouth imply covering_mouth or alter the definition of the latter to make the tags disjoint.
Flopsy said:
I'm necroing this because the state of the hand-mouth tags is still confusing. We currently have:
- covering_mouth: 1123 posts, "The act of covering one's mouth with either the hand, or another object."
- hand_over_mouth: 374 posts, no wiki.
- hands_over_mouth: 13 posts, no wiki.
- hand_over_another's_mouth: 7 posts, no wiki.
- hand_to_mouth: 835 posts, no wiki (presumably to be used when a hand (more than one finger) is held near, but not over, one's own (or anyone's) mouth).
- hands_to_mouth: 39 posts, no wiki.
- hand_gag: 28 posts, no wiki (a special case of hand_over_mouth (or hand_over_another's_mouth)).
A lot of the confusion could be cleared up by adding wiki definitions for hand_over_mouth and hand_to_mouth. Then we could either let hand_over_mouth imply covering_mouth or alter the definition of the latter to make the tags disjoint.
I say we do this:
Define hand_over_mouth as:
When a character uses their hand to cover someone's mouth (their own or another's).
If their hand is near their own mouth but not covering it, use hand_to_mouth instead.
Alias hands_over_mouth -> hand_over_mouth (I don't think whether it's one or two hands is a useful distinction)
Alias hand_over_another's_mouth -> hand_over_mouth (This also doesn't seem like a useful distinction since the former only has 6 posts)
Implicate hand_over_mouth -> covering_mouth
Implicate hand_gag -> hand_over_mouth
Define hand_to_mouth as:
When a character puts their hand near their own mouth, such as when yawning or laughing.
If their hand completely covers their own or someone else's mouth, use hand_over_mouth instead.
(Since we don't have a single image tagged hand_to_another's_mouth I assume that hand_to_mouth can only be used for one's own mouth.)
Alias hands_to_mouth -> hand_to_mouth (Same as hands_over_mouth)
You could choose to leave hand_over_another's_mouth in place, let it implicate (not alias) hand_over_mouth and go ahead with the rest of the changes. Then, if hand_over_another's_mouth ever gets populated, retagging could be handled by scripted mass edits. (Remove the implication, remove h_o_m from all images with h_o_a_m, replace remaining h_o_m with hand_over_own_mouth.)
I can see the point of the own/another's distinction, but the resulting tags are just too cumbersome. I'm willing to accept this kind of ambiguity as an unavoidable consequence of the flat tag data model.
Okay, I split hand_over_mouth into hand_over_another's_mouth and hand_over_own_mouth. I also cleaned up some of the other tags.
Now that I've done that, here's an updated list of aliases/implications I think we should do:
Alias:
hands_to_mouth -> hand_to_mouth
Implicate:
hand_over_own_mouth -> covering_mouth
hand_over_another's_mouth -> covering_mouth
hand_gag -> hand_over_another's_mouth
I went through hand_to_mouth to see if a hand_to_another's_mouth tag would be useful.
One case where it makes sense is during feeding (post #1344101), but I believe feeding alone is already enough.
Other cases are already currently tagged hand_on_another's_face. Creating hand_to_another's_face would make things more accurate but that's another story.
So hand_to_mouth is fine imo. That said, we may want to move it to hand_to_own_mouth just to help preventing future mistaggings.
Agree with the rest.
Cyberia-Mix said:
So hand_to_mouth is fine imo. That said, we may want to move it to hand_to_own_mouth just to help preventing future mistaggings.
Agreed.
Did:
create alias hands_to_mouth -> hand_to_own_mouth
create alias hands_to_own_mouth -> hand_to_own_mouth
create alias hand_to_mouth -> hand_to_own_mouth
create implication hand_over_own_mouth -> covering_mouth
create implication hand_over_another's_mouth -> covering_mouth
create implication hand_gag -> hand_over_another's_mouth