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BUR #40346 has been rejected.
create alias artoria_pendragon_(lancer_alter)_(fate) -> artoria_pendragon_alter_(lancer)_(fate)
create alias artoria_pendragon_(lancer_alter)_(first_ascension)_(fate) -> artoria_pendragon_alter_(lancer)_(first_ascension)_(fate)
Throwing this one out here. Can't remember exactly why I didn't do it initially with the rest of these, but I'm guessing it had to do with my brain deciding her lancer-ness was as much a variant of her as her alter-ness. But logistically this probably makes more sense.
BUR #40347 has been rejected.
create alias artoria_pendragon_(lancer_alter)_(formal_dress)_(fate) -> artoria_pendragon_alter_(lancer)_(formal_dress)_(fate)
Formal dress re-qualifier option 1. Note that there's also Artoria Pendragon (Lancer) (Formal Dress).
BUR #40348 has been rejected.
create alias artoria_pendragon_(lancer_alter)_(formal_dress)_(fate) -> artoria_pendragon_alter_(formal_dress)_(fate)
Option 2.
BUR #40349 has been rejected.
create alias artoria_pendragon_(lancer)_(formal_dress)_(fate) -> artoria_pendragon_(formal_dress)_(fate)
Bonus round for option 2, if we consider that to be unambiguous enough.
BUR #40350 has been rejected.
create alias artoria_pendragon_(lancer_alter)_(traveling_outfit)_(fate) -> artoria_pendragon_alter_(lancer)_(traveling_outfit)_(fate)
Traveling outfit re-qualifier option 1. Related: forum #348762
BUR #40351 has been rejected.
create alias artoria_pendragon_(lancer_alter)_(traveling_outfit)_(fate) -> artoria_pendragon_alter_(traveling_outfit)_(fate)
Traveling outfit option 2. Potentially ambiguous with Saber Alter (Traveling Outfit).
BUR #40352 has been rejected.
create alias artoria_pendragon_(lancer_alter)_(royal_icing)_(fate) -> artoria_pendragon_alter_(royal_icing)_(fate)
create alias artoria_pendragon_(lancer_alter)_(ox-demon_king)_(fate) -> artoria_pendragon_alter_(ox-demon_king)_(fate)
Alternative to forum #348708 and forum #348709.
Ylimegirl said:
BUR #40346 has been rejected.
create alias artoria_pendragon_(lancer_alter)_(fate) -> artoria_pendragon_alter_(lancer)_(fate)
create alias artoria_pendragon_(lancer_alter)_(first_ascension)_(fate) -> artoria_pendragon_alter_(lancer)_(first_ascension)_(fate)Throwing this one out here. Can't remember exactly why I didn't do it initially with the rest of these, but I'm guessing it had to do with my brain deciding her lancer-ness was as much a variant of her as her alter-ness. But logistically this probably makes more sense.
This case really sucks because to be technical alter_(lancer) feels kind of "wrong"; the character is not Artoria Alter as a Lancer like such a tagging would suggest... It's Artoria Lancer but altered. I love FGO I love FGO I love FGO I love FGO-
I'm kinda ambivalent about the change ultimately, but it feels kind of like a pointless change that makes things a little worse overall. Also I don't think the ones that ditch the lancer qualifier entirely are good changes, Artoria Lancer is quite distinct from regular Artoria visually so I feel costume tags that are Lancer costumes should reflect that, otherwise the tags become very ambiguous.
Astolfo said:
This case really sucks because to be technical alter_(lancer) feels kind of "wrong"; the character is not Artoria Alter as a Lancer like such a tagging would suggest... It's Artoria Lancer but altered.
I love FGO I love FGO I love FGO I love FGO-
ACTUALLY, Lancer Alter came out like a year before Lancer, so clearly Lancer should imply Lancer Alter, not the other way around.
But no seriously, Artoria Lancer should definitely be a tag of it's own, like Gorgon. (Since both body- and identity-wise she's not Artoria anymore yadda yadda)
Yeah this is less about changing implications and more about tag naming conventions. Our options are basically
It kinda comes down to personal taste at the end unfortunately and how we approach it. As Astolfo said, she's an altered version of the Lancer version, so the tag name (Lancer Alter) can reflect that.
On the other hand, her name is listed out as Artoria Pendragon (Alter) (アルトリア・ペンドラゴン〔オルタ〕) on most official material, with the Lancer portion often omitted entirely or placed second. (Alter Lancer) as a qualifier just kinda looks like ass though.
Artoria Pendragon Alter (Lancer) makes it look like it's a lancer version of artoria alter instead, which is potentially maybe confusing for people who don't know anything about FGO? But we don't even call Artoria Pendragon Alter that in the tags we have because Saber Alter. And it's not like we're worried Artoria Pendragon (Lancer) is seen as a lancer-wielding version of Saber?
It's a mess, it's complicated, Artoria is the final boss of untangling Fate umbrella tags, I'm personally fine with this going either way. Just throwing the idea out there for voting records if nothing else.
The bulk update request #33881 (forum #319927) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
To me "artoria pendragon alter" makes it sound like the tag is for a variant of Saber Alter. It doesn't feel like these renames are going to achieve any substantial difference. Singling out "lancer alter" as a single qualifier at least makes it clear that it's Fate's evil version of artoria_pendragon_(lancer)_(fate).
Speaking of which, thinking about it artoria_pendragon_alter_(swimsuit_rider)_(fate) should probably just be saber alter (swimsuit rider). I don't remember why it was decided to not just name this tag after Saber Alter given it's literally just her in a swimsuit.
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