parfait/milkshake glass and ice cream cup

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tamuraakemi

Cup is still defined as a "drinking vessel" which isn't really any better for semantic purposes, while parfait glasses should be (or appear similar to) glass; drinking glass seems like the best option if one has to be picked.

Kind of a hard-to-distinguish tag with literally one post under 'parfait_glass -parfait', though... A lot of things that could be tagged parfait glass would also be very reasonable to tag milkshake_glass if empty, too.

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gzb

tamuraakemi said:

Maybe, but I think there's a decent amount of overlap of the stemless types. post #2378801 is even tagged milkshake glass for glasses containing parfaits. There's definitely an iconic sort of milkshake glass, so I think that tag could stay but needs a wiki?

I'd say that's a mistag and should've been parfait glass. Actually, out of all the posts currently under milkshake glass tag, only post #8903107, post #8812679, post #8981343 and post #7466416 has that milkshake glass look, with only post #8903107 containing actual milkshake. For the rest of the posts, they are parfait glass containing parfait.

I have written the wiki for milkshake_glass now.

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AngryZapdos

BUR #41442 has been rejected.

mass update parfait_glass -> -parfait_glass parfait

This is a useless junk tag. If you want to find parfait glasses, then you can just search for parfait because 99.9% of them are depicted in a glass. The only utility this tag could provide that we don't already get from parfait would be to search for empty parfait glasses, which actually brings me to my next point...

Knowledge_Seeker said:

What's weird to me about this one is that a parfait glass would look indistinguishable from a drinking glass if it were empty. Not sure how I feel about this one quite yet.

This is another thing that gives me pause about the tag. Scrolling through parfait, I'm seeing such a wide variety of glassware on display that there's no way in hell our users wouldn't just use parfait_glass as "any glass container with a parfait in it" - and indeed, that seems to be the intended use, which is even worse. Even an empty_parfait_glass tag would be purely semantic with this in mind.

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AngryZapdos Unbreakable WRS Knowledge Seeker
gzb

AngryZapdos said:

BUR #41442 has been rejected.

mass update parfait_glass -> -parfait_glass parfait

For the first point, we still have to tag the container somehow. I don't mind if it's just drinking glass but there's already disagreements on whether the glass you eat parfait from can be called drinking glass or cup.

For the second point, post #1912087 is not in your usual parfait glass but a tumbler glass and post #2184535 is in a glass ice cream cup. So the wide variety is not because anything can be parfait glass but because parfait can be in other types of glassware too.

Also, just like milkshake glass, while many variants exist, they do generally follow a certain shape that you can most of the time easily tell its intended purpose. You don't generally use something like post #7028229 or post #663343 to drink coffee or cocktail. Of course, there are still things like post #6486937 which can be argued to be just a normal drinking glass but that depends on how strict we want the tag to be.

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AngryZapdos

gzb said:

For the first point, we still have to tag the container somehow. I don't mind if it's just drinking glass but there's already disagreements on whether the glass you eat parfait from can be called drinking glass or cup.

They should be tagged with drinking_glass, which already implies cup. It would be a case of mental gymnastics to try and argue that "only some cups made of glass are drinking glasses".

For the second point, post #1912087 is not in your usual parfait glass but a tumbler glass and post #2184535 is in a glass ice cream cup. So the wide variety is not because anything can be parfait glass but because parfait can be in other types of glassware too.

Also, just like milkshake glass, while many variants exist, they do generally follow a certain shape that you can most of the time easily tell its intended purpose. You don't generally use something like post #7028229 or post #663343 to drink coffee or cocktail. Of course, there are still things like post #6486937 which can be argued to be just a normal drinking glass but that depends on how strict we want the tag to be.

Do the glasses parfaits come in look different to normal glasses? Yes. Are they already searchable without a tag for them? Also yes. Like I mentioned, if you want to find parfait glasses, just search for parfait. A fully populated parfait_glass tag would just mirror the parfait tag; we do not need it.

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