I don't know why you think this has anything to do with whether or not it's "corporation approved". You're insane if you think people looking for official art of a gacha game are expecting to see porn just because the artist decided they were horny.
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Talulah said:
I don't know why you think this has anything to do with whether or not it's "corporation approved".
It has everything to do with whether an illustration was published in official capacity.
Talulah said:
You're insane if you think people looking for official art of a gacha game are expecting to see porn just because the artist decided they were horny.
We have 4 different rating filters I'm not going to be scandalized by that.
testingmmmmm said:
We have 4 different rating filters I'm not going to be scandalized by that.
What he meant is that porn fanart drawn by the official artist shouldn’t be tagged official art. Counterargument to what you said about no need to be so strict on official art.
testingmmmmm said:
Anime is made by people, I don't think It's an scandal to say that what these people may create in their free time for the IPs they work in is official-grade content. In fact it may be more official than no-name sweatshop illustrations under official capacity. For all it matters to danbooru 'all images are unofficial fanart' is legal coverage (it most likely is as well).. [etc]
Random innocent doodles might be harder to distinguish, but if any official artist felt naughty enough to produce nsfw content of their own characters, going by you definition it will definitely pollute official art.
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magcolo said:
What he meant is that porn fanart drawn by the official artist shouldn’t be tagged official art. Counterargument to what you said about no need to be so strict on official art.
Random innocent doodles might be harder to distinguish, but if any official artist felt naughty enough to produce nsfw content of their own characters, going by you definition it will definitely pollute official art.
I understood that fine, it was just my low effort response to a rude reply.
Honest answer:
I'm flexible on this topic, if the illustrations transgress the spirit and theme of the copyright then it might be ok to not tag them so.
However I really need some examples to ground this discussion on reality.
Complaining about nsfw stuff in gacha of all things made me raise my eyebrow for one: take almost everything in honjou_raita official_art one dude didn't stop considering it official art just because it's more sexualized than the rest of f:go official_art, and for sure one dude didn't stop considering them so just because the source for most of them is either his twitter account or a doujinshi. They even have a line in his artbooks explicitly declaring such drawings are not official.
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testingmmmmm said:
Complaining about nsfw stuff in gacha of all things made me raise my eyebrow for one: take almost everything in honjou_raita official_art we didn't stop considering it official art just because it's more sexualized than the rest of f:go official_art, and for sure we didn't stop considering them so just because the source for most of them is either his twitter account or a doujinshi. They even have a line in his artbooks explicitly declaring such drawings are not official.
Big surprise, a tag isn't immaculately clean. If you check the history of those posts, official art was added to a lot of those posts this year by a single member level user. It's not a "we" situation. It's a "one person mass tagging incorrectly and nobody noticed" situation.
blindVigil said:
Big surprise, a tag isn't immaculately clean. If you check the history of those posts, official art was added to a lot of those posts this year by a single member level user. It's not a "we" situation. It's a "one person mass tagging incorrectly and nobody noticed" situation.
Can't say I'm not embarrassed. Alright I made my case for why most artist extras should be official art, changed my vote in official_artist_extra since having them in another tag is better than not having them at all.
I prefer 'official artist extra' since it conveys a meaning more concretely than 'official_artist'
The bulk update request #13494 (forum #226913) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.
The bulk update request #13495 (forum #226914) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.
With forum #389999 inspiring a new wave of pool-to-tag conversions (forum #390122 onward in topic #8282, topic #33413, topic #33377, etc.), we're inevitably going to ask the question of whether pool #19122 should be a tag again, since otherwise, once collection pools go the way of the dodo, it won't exist regardless.
Damian0358 said:
With forum #389999 inspiring a new wave of pool-to-tag conversions (forum #390122 onward in topic #8282, topic #33413, topic #33377, etc.), we're inevitably going to ask the question of whether pool #19122 should be a tag again, since otherwise, once collection pools go the way of the dodo, it won't exist regardless.
I don't care enough about this topic to have a good opinion on the name or anything, but if people find this sort of information important, it should probably be converted into a metatag to preserve it.
I would just call it official artist extra. No reason to overcomplicate that part. And yes, it should be a metatag.
Assuming we're keeping it in some form, anyway.
I guess then we need to think about whether it should imply official art or not. The whole point of the pool was that it's not official art, but some users didn’t seem to get that memo, last time I looked at it.
BUR #48600 has been approved by @evazion.
mass update pool:19122 -> meta:official_artist_extra
nuke pool:19122
Let's formally discuss it then.
I think this probably needs some clarification if it's going to be a real tag. (I'll use Arknights for some examples because it has a bunch of artist situations.)
Imagine a gacha game:
- Does this apply to someone who drew an official alternate costume art? (Erkai drawing Vermeil (Playfellows) (Arknights), while the Vermeil 'creator' would be KENTllaall.)
- The other way around?
Some other situations also might be complicated: lowlight kirilenko made Kal'tsit (Pixiv Fantasia), but yui (niikyouzou) is the Kal'tsit (Arknights) artist; if Lowlight draws the Arknights design, would that count for the tag?
To separate my thoughts on the official art distinction: I really think it shouldn't count, especially considering that would mean labeling art not produced with a given company as official art for that company. official art's wiki just mentions the official artist of a series/character but I think that wiki is flawed for this scenario, considering the whole premise of the pool is not being actual official art.
The bulk update request #48600 (forum #390514) has been approved by @evazion.
tamuraakemi said:
I think this probably needs some clarification if it's going to be a real tag. (I'll use Arknights for some examples because it has a bunch of artist situations.)
Imagine a gacha game:
- Does this apply to someone who drew an official alternate costume art? (Erkai drawing Vermeil (Playfellows) (Arknights), while the Vermeil 'creator' would be KENTllaall.)
- The other way around?Some other situations also might be complicated: lowlight kirilenko made Kal'tsit (Pixiv Fantasia), but yui (niikyouzou) is the Kal'tsit (Arknights) artist; if Lowlight draws the Arknights design, would that count for the tag?
In the context of official artist extra, "official artist" refers to major official artists.
A character can have more than one official artist. If an artist has contributed to a character's design in a significant way, then I think they qualify as an official artist.
For example, a character may debut with an official designer and an official illustrator, that's two official artists.
If an artist designs a significant outfit/appearance of a character, e.g. an in-game skin or a lore-relevant alternate form, then they're also an official artist.
An artist designing a less significant outfit/appearance of a character, e.g. promotional material appearance, may not qualify for official artist of the character immediately, but if the artist is making extra art of the specific appearance they designed, that is official artist extra, because they're attributing to a specific work they did.
Artists drawing official art without designing anything new, only using existing designs of others, is generally not an official artist.
Additionally, context can also be factor in determining the application. If an artist is known to regularly make fanart of a character, especially prior to making official art for the character, then even when their official art is a significant appearance (making them a 2nd degree official artist), their other fanarts unrelated to this specific appearance should probably not count as official artist extra.
In contrary, if an artist is suddenly making fanart of a character they previously disregards, especially after the release or announcement of the official material they worked on, you know it's a direct reference to their work.
Alternatively, a long-living character may have had so many reincarnations that even artists who made 2nd degreed designs are insignificant to them. In this case 2nd degree official artists should be treated as 3rd degree official artists.
Although this method of determination can be unintuitive and subjective, so refer to the 3-degreed attribution method in most cases.
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So, we've had an argument erupt under post #4674807:
@ANON_TOKYO said in comment #2575530:
@by-septic_pm can you please give a reason why you think official artist extra applies here. From what I can tell there is no connection to anything official in this post. The artist having done other, unrelated official art doesn't make this post an official artist extra.
@by-septic_pm said in comment #2575621:
"official artist extra" is a tag applied to art posted on personal accounts by artists who have worked in an official capacity with the associated copyrights. As can be seen on his MobyGames page, as well as video recordings of each game's credits (at 16:34 & 13:22, respectively, if the current time suffixes do not take you immediately there), Masafumi Takagi was Art Director & Boss Designer on Drakengard 3, as well as Creative Producer on NieR Re[in]carnation. In light of that, and of this artwork being shared publicly through a Twitter account run directly by Takagi instead of Square Enix, this post fulfills the needed criteria for "official artist extra".
Frankly, I cannot see what disqualifies it from being tagged that way, but if you still object, it might be a discussion better developed on the forums instead of this comment section.
Please discuss this here so we can accordingly adjust the definition in official artist extra, as originally defined by PCCSantos, amended by Coprolite, and reworded by evazion.