New tag discussion--for "real" art

This has popped up at least once before in picture comments-discussion and I want to start using it--let's develop a tag for art that's "real", as in pencil art, watercolor, oil paintings, crayons, and so on. This would be as opposed to art drawn (partially or completely) on the PC, which this site is of course dominated by.

The tag would be useful because it's something that people want to find specifically (for example LaC has expressed a specific appreciation for handdrawn art), and it's also informative. I don't think that a tag for each drawing technique--pencil, watercolor, etc.--would be very useful (and it's also sometimes difficult to tell) although there might be some point where that could be implemented.

Anyway, there were a couple suggestions raised in that thread that I remember. If anyone remembers the comments-thread about this subject, feel free to link that, also.

I put them here in order of how much I like them.

1) "analog" -- this is in contrast with "digital". It's logical, short and to the point. On the other hand, there are lots of things that are called analog (from synthesizers to circuits), so it could conceivably cause a bit of confusion.

2) "traditional media" -- this is used in DeviantArt (yes, I know) as a broad category which includes all of this stuff. It's very clear, but it's long, possibly hard to remember and a bit pretentious. I like this almost as much as "analog".

3) "handdrawn" -- not my favorite since to me anything that isn't rendered or calculated is handdrawn, but that's probably due to convention. Anyway, it's also easy to remember.

Any thoughts? I used "analog" on one image, I'll probably be tagging a few more with that, but of course when we decide on the best one I'll mass edit if necessary, and write a wiki entry to clarify the use of the tag.

Discuss away!

I declare neutrality and support whatever gets the majority vote. Never really thought about it or felt a need to see things tagged with that kind of tag, but it's something I could probably remember to add easily enough.

This kind of tag might be problematic if it is misused with great frequency, but sounds like a fine idea.

traditional_media with an alias for handdrawn gets my vote but someone's probably going to have to monitor it for bad posts.

Good point about aliasing, definitely should do that. Although one should still be selected over the others anyway.

I don't mind keeping an eye on it. I can't guarantee that every handdrawn image is going to be in the tag of course, but at least I can weed out ones that shouldn't be in there.

So what is the final proposal? handdrawn?

(btw, I'm hugely supportive of such a movement, personally I think photoshop was one of the worst things to befall the manga world. I dunno about LaC being a fan of hand-drawn images, but he's called me a sketchfag on several occasions before :)

I thought he said something along the lines of "real art" being like an oasis in a desert of blah Photoshop. Maybe it was you!

Anyway, I'm not feeling handdrawn too much (even though I did use the term several times in my posts in this thread...), but if you guys like it, we'll go with it.

Oh yeah, another argument for "analog" is that Japanese people seem to use it a lot for traditional media. Well, at least this guy does: http://academic.meganebu.com/~m417/top.html

I find this a bit problematic because you can reproduce the hand-drawn look using digital tools. Are we suppose to go for the look regardless of how it was made?

surasshu said:
I thought he said something along the lines of "real art" being like an oasis in a desert of blah Photoshop. Maybe it was you!

That was probably me, I remember saying things to that effect. About "handdrawn", I'm not a fan of the name, it's a teeny bit unwieldy, but I'm not really sure what would be better.

I think this would be great. In instances where the artist has both versions, a "traditional media" and a CG, I tend to like the traditional better.

What I was trying to say earlier, very poorly, was "tag them traditional_media and make handdrawn an alias so we don't have to type out traditional_media every time."

This should make more sense ...I think.

Log said:
What I was trying to say earlier, very poorly, was "tag them traditional_media and make handdrawn an alias so we don't have to type out traditional_media every time."

This should make more sense ...I think.

Yeah, I like this too. I'll start renaming/aliasing and writing a wiki.

I added /trad alias suggestion as well. It will be effective as soon as albert approves it. I'll mention the alias on the wiki page as well.

Should sketch imply traditional_media? Nearly any properly tagged sketch image should be hand drawn I beleive.

No, I don't think so. While a lot of them definitely are pencil sketches, a significant number are done in oC, Painter or even Photoshop.

But I am going through the archives of "sketch" to add any that are pencil/pen drawings.

surasshu said:
(for example LaC has expressed a specific appreciation for handdrawn art)

葉月 said:
(I dunno about LaC being a fan of hand-drawn images, but he's called me a sketchfag on several occasions before :)

surasshu said:
I thought he said something along the lines of "real art" being like an oasis in a desert of blah Photoshop. Maybe it was you!

葉月 said:
That was probably me, I remember saying things to that effect.

It was me, in the discussion on post #177246. "Hand-drawn pictures deserve recognition in this sea of digital stuff."

I leave for a few days and you're already trying to usurp me? I knew you were treacherous, 葉月, but you're hastier than I thought.