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"You cannot downvote a janitor comment"

Posted under General

EB said:

It's been like that for a while now I think, so janitors, mods, and admins can warn users and prevent those users from pettily downvoting the warning.

That makes sense for mods and admins, but I don't really see why janitors should be treated any different than normal users with regards to comment moderation. They should be deferring issues that require warnings to mods who can actually punish for them if they go unheeded.

Hinacle said:

That makes sense for mods and admins [...]

I concur.

Log said:

Oh no two dozen people able to leave comments that aren't downvotable instead of a dozen let's burn danbooru to the ground over this human rights violation.

Log, why are you always sound so irritated? Oh, wait... You're a janitor.

I think Hinacle is right. I can't recall ever seeing a Janitor make a comment that would need to be downvote-immune.

Am I wrong about there being none, or is there some other reason for Janitors to have this ability? If not, I also think it should be limited to Moderator+.

D'Eye said:
Log, why are you always sound so irritated? Oh, wait... You're a janitor.

Don't mind him, he's allergic to bullshit.
Because it's not like janitors have no abilities that impact the site and they wouldn't be able to place an non-downvotable warning, no?
That specific comment is indeed, bad, but why would you strip all of us from possibilities for sake of several comments?

I think the solution here would be to just have an optional 'Admin Mode ENGAGED' comment-type that could be used when some Serious Business needs to be laid down.

Although, I see little reason for janitors to be downvote-immune at all. They're given that rank based on their approval track-record alone, and are not gauged on their moderation abilities. (This also ties-in to how I think janitors shouldn't have any other moderation abilities outside of approvals... but that's another topic.)

Wypatroszony said:

That specific comment is indeed, bad, but why would you strip all of us from possibilities for sake of several comments?

As long as you don't post stupid comments there's nothing to be nervous about, right?

But if there really is a need for certain warnings posted by below-mod-level users to be non-downvotable, then how about providing mods et al. with ability to lock votes for selected comments on request?

i don't know how severe the comment is, but janitors are supposedly behaving properly since they're part of the site staff.

if there's such a violation, we have forum #37767 thread for that. and if i've not mistaken, janitors can edit other's comment too? so at least a fellow janitor can work on it and place spoiler tags if necessary. downvoting only makes it hidden for a certain threshold but can still be visible to others.

janitors can lock threads too, right? so i believe they already have moderation abilities. if they can exercise this in threads, they can exercise this in comments too.

and i'm not aware how many janitors are actual violators, but we have comment abuse thread and dmails for basic members and everyone else to call the attention of authorities (and possibly for disciplinary action) and records for priv+ users, imho.

Updated

comment #1099685, comment #1131585 (by same user, no less) pretty much violated several rules in commenting and all-caps comment #995206 was posted by a mod.

Maybe mod-level users deserve warnings but I notice many active moderators are very reasonable and decent posters, so it's a rare case when a moderator acted like an imbecile. But I don't think janitors deserve the immunity from downvotes, given the comments of several janitor-level user previously come very close to rule violation. Not to mention they outnumber moderators.

D'Eye said:

Here you go: post #981225 (possibly contains Blood-C spoilers), comment #869701.

Alright, that's a bad comment and certainly unfunny at the least, I won't argue that.

Getting to the issue of Janitor comments being immune to downvotes, I can see where many of you are coming from when you say it's unnecessary. Losing that wouldn't personally affect me so much, since I generally tend to avoid reading or posting comments to begin with. And there hasn't been a recent situation where I've had to step in a comment thread and issue warnings to people being stupid in the comments.

Still, what's being pointed out here is only RiderFan posting some bad dialogue on that post. If select comments from a Janitor are truly bad and are in severe violation of site rules (which would be doubtful, as I can't recall seeing any Janitor go that far), then that should be pointed out via records and/or the comment abuse thread that ghostrigger mentioned. The appropriate actions will be taken afterwards.

So while Janitors don't quite need that comment downvote immunity, I don't think there's a lot of them making awful comments to begin with. Again, if they are, it should be pointed out with the methods stated above.

There's further discussion to come from this, so let's keep it going.

Apollyon said:

Still, what's being pointed out here is only RiderFan posting some bad dialogue on that post.

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing personal. I just happened to come across this comment while surfin' Danbooru.

Apollyon said:

So while Janitors don't quite need that comment downvote immunity, I don't think there's a lot of them making awful comments to begin with. Again, if they are, it should be pointed out with the methods stated above.

There's further discussion to come from this, so let's keep it going.

After taking a glance at current help:users, I got a feeling that Janitors are somewhat overpowered. IMO, they are not that important part of a staff (no offense), as opposed to Mods and Admins. Actually, was there ever a case when a Janitor's comment really needed this god mode?

just to add, there was a post before that said even if a comment was downvoted, the OP (if he feels unhappy about it) can just delete it and submit again, even bumping the whole post to the main comments listing (all fresh with neutral value).

i can't find the exact reference but the moral of the story is there are ways to circumvent the current limitations of the system (comment voting). i'm not exactly sure why we even have this but maybe it's just a minor measuring stick to gauge the relevance of comments on-topic.

comments are supposedly used for commentary, translation/tag details, and other miscellaneous info, anyway. so if there are individuals doing something unlawful, it's best to call the authorities. a downvote will do little or nothing at all.

regarding the powers and abilities of the users, well the list is still not yet final. i'm sure more features will be added in time. if one feels there's one thing excessive, the forum is open for discussion and maybe we can request albert to strip them off.

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