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add qualifier to genshin impact characters missing it

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BUR #4225 has been approved by @evazion.

rename collei -> collei_(genshin_impact)
create alias qiqi -> qiqi_(genshin_impact)
create alias ningguang -> ningguang_(genshin_impact)
create alias keqing -> keqing_(genshin_impact)
create alias jean_gunnhildr -> jean_gunnhildr_(genshin_impact)
create alias hilichurl -> hilichurl_(genshin_impact)
create alias baron_bunny -> baron_bunny_(genshin_impact)

the rest of the characters have the _(genshin_impact) qualifier, so for consistency with them (and in a similar vein to other copyrights such as arknights), they should all have it.

since apparently renaming is not allowed for tags with >200 posts, three of them are aliases instead. I'll unalias it after...

Apologies if I missed any, I don't play Genshin so I just looked through top related tags.

I'd support this for the one word character names (the first four on your list,) but the rest are a tossup for me.

"Jean Gunnhildr" doesn't seem like a terribly ambiguous name (though I also wouldn't be shocked if another character by that name existed, or came along later.) The consistency argument aside, there's no reason for it to have a qualifier.

Genshin Impact differs from Arknights because:

  • The names in Arknights are explicitly codenames (a few characters are just lazy/uncreative and use their real names as their "codenames")
  • Very few AK characters by proportion have known real names and only a few (Angelina, Ch'en, Nearl, Silence, Silverash, arguably Swire... who are not many among the hundreds of characters) have related code names

Incidentally, Genshin has a bunch of known full names (Barbara Page, Diluc Ragnvildr, Kaeya Alberich, Lisa Minci, Mona Megistus) we don't use in our tags. Not sure why Jean became an exception.

As for Hilichurl and Baron Bunny, they're not individual characters but groups of unnamed entities we slap chartags on for convenience, and they seem unlikely to be ambiguous too.

I don't feel strongly about the issue. Just felt like giving context.

If multiple characters have family names and Jean is the only one with it tagged it should probably be changed to just jean (genshin impact) to match the rest then.

Genshin differing from Arknights in xyz ways doesn't really matter because the point I am making is that all Arknights-related tags get the qualifier, from characters with unambiguous codenames to things like oripathy lesion (arknights) which surely isn't that ambiguous.

For full names, I would say it probably depends on prominence of their full names. Arknights doesn't really prominently display them, nor does every character have them known. So for consistency they all use only their codenames. Angelina, for example, is "Angelina Ajimu", but we don't tag her as such. I don't play Genshin so I cannot be sure either way.

With Hilichurl we similarly have reunion soldier (arknights) (among others) for a group of nameless enemies.

I don't see any reason to avoid changing these tags as a form of clean-up.

ルーミア said:

If multiple characters have family names and Jean is the only one with it tagged it should probably be changed to just jean (genshin impact) to match the rest then.

It's Danbooru policy to use full names whenever they're known, exceptions are uncommon, and typically a character needs to be widely known by something other than their proper name for their full names to not be used.

I assume Jean is an exception because her last name is featured prominently, while the other characters you'd have to read their in game profiles to see them, and it's not always immediately visible. There's absolutely no reason for us not to use their full names if they're known, it doesn't hinder searching at all. We should rename anyone who has a known full name. Diluc Ragnvindr is just as searchable as Diluc (genshin impact).

Jean Gunnhildr doesn't need a qualifier, either.

Genshin differing from Arknights in xyz ways doesn't really matter because the point I am making is that all Arknights-related tags get the qualifier, from characters with unambiguous codenames to things like oripathy lesion (arknights) which surely isn't that ambiguous.

A great deal of Arknights codenames are real words, making them ambiguous. I can only think of a handful that don't seem to be based on preexisting words or common names. It's also typical preferred policy to add qualifiers to single names, even if they're arguably not that ambiguous.

For full names, I would say it probably depends on prominence of their full names. Arknights doesn't really prominently display them, nor does every character have them known. So for consistency they all use only their codenames. Angelina, for example, is "Angelina Ajimu", but we don't tag her as such. I don't play Genshin so I cannot be sure either way.

Since Angelina's codename is just her given name, it wouldn't actually hurt anything for her tag to be renamed to Angelina Ajimu. Same for anyone similar, though I'm not aware of very many characters using their name as their codename and have their full name known. I didn't even know Angelina's last name was Ajimu.

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ルーミア said:

I don't see any reason to avoid changing these tags as a form of clean-up.

If the name is unique and non-ambiguous that is reason enough to warrant not adding a qualifier. Even more so given that adding these qualifiers significantly increases the lengths of tags. We should avoid unnecessary length in tag names whenever possible. This is why when adding a qualifier if there is a shorthand for the series title that is always the preferable choice over using the full name.

Since Angelina's codename is just her given name, it wouldn't actually hurt anything for her tag to be renamed to Angelina Ajimu. Same for anyone similar, though I'm not aware of very many characters using their name as their codename and have their full name known. I didn't even know Angelina's last name was Ajimu.

The others are:
Ceylon_(arknights) - Ceylon Doykos
Ch'en_(arknights) - Ch'en Hui-chieh
Nearl_(arknights) - Margaret Nearl
Silence_(arknights) - Olivia Silence
SilverAsh_(arknights) - Enciodas SilverAsh
Swire_(arknights) - Beatrix Schwire

If anyone wants to actually change or seriously discuss Arknights tags it should get its own topic, though. I just brought it up because it was used as a point of comparison.

Though this adds an interesting aspect to the length argument. enciodas_silverash is not appreciably shorter than silverash_(arknights), making that hypothetical change kind of trivial, while jean_gunnhildr is significantly shorter than jean_(genshin_impact). I brought up the possibility of shortening the qualifier to "Genshin" in another topic (which happens to be what the game is called in Japanese anyway) and evazion said "Let's just stick with the English name," but maybe it should be considered again.

edit: added Ceylon

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My general attitude is that we should be consistent within a copyright:

  • If most characters in a copyright need to be qualified, we should qualify all of them.
  • If most characters in a copyright use only their first name, we should do that for all of them. Especially if their full name isn't well known or isn't normally used in-game.

This keeps tag lists consistent. It feels really weird to me when I see posts like post #4343643 or post #4327358 and there are these random characters floating around in the tag list that aren't qualified, or that use their full name.

As a reminder, the reason for the "use full names policy" is to avoid ambiguity. We don't want to be like Pixiv and have unqualified first-name-only tags shared by multiple characters. This is so obvious that it usually goes without saying. But that's reason for the rule, not because full names are the Most Correct and being Most Correct is more important than anything else.

7HS said:

Though this adds an interesting aspect to the length argument. enciodas_silverash is not appreciably shorter than silverash_(arknights), making that hypothetical change kind of trivial, while jean_gunnhildr is significantly shorter than jean_(genshin_impact). I brought up the possibility of shortening the qualifier to "Genshin" in another topic (which happens to be what the game is called in Japanese anyway) and evazion said "Let's just stick with the English name," but maybe it should be considered again.

Well, now that we're moving to *_(kancolle), I guess now would be a good time to bring up moving to *_(genshin).

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