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nuke bangs

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aliasing parted bangs and parted hair would make no sense given they still arent the same thing at all, and it would only make it impossible to search for either of those, or more specifically for parted hair since it is only like 1% the size of parted bangs, probably because it's a case of untertagging. All in all aliasing those two is probably the worst choice.
If "edge cases" are really that problematic for getting rid of bangs maybe more definition could be put in the specific bangs tags to that it becomes easier for the average user to tag those?

This seems like the issue is an overly broad definition of bangs based on aliasing pretty much any tag with the word bangs in it.

I think most current bang aliases should be removed and the standalone bangs tag be added manually for particularly notable cases.

Cattywampus said:

This seems like the issue is an overly broad definition of bangs based on aliasing pretty much any tag with the word bangs in it.

I think most current bang aliases should be removed and the standalone bangs tag be added manually for particularly notable cases.

I still fail to see the use for a standalone bangs tag when there are far more specific hairstyle tags

Cattywampus said:

This seems like the issue is an overly broad definition of bangs based on aliasing pretty much any tag with the word bangs in it.

I think most current bang aliases should be removed and the standalone bangs tag be added manually for particularly notable cases.

Can you give some examples of "particularly notable cases" that are not "particularly notable" in ways that would (or should) be described by a different tag? I'm not sure what you're getting at here. And which (other than parted bangs which was already discussed a bit, but without any meaningful conclusion, up thread) of the tags that imply bangs do you think shouldn't?

Personally I think the presence or absence of bangs is notable in itself, which is why I think that being able to find pictures that do or don't have them is right. Other people may disagree with me on that, which would justify getting rid of it in their eyes. But I'm not seeing the case for a selective tag that would be just bangs - this isn't like the x_focus type tags in that I'm not sure I've seen a single image where the bangs themselves were specifically the focus of the image other than perhaps post #3669721.

I didn't find the bangs tag particularly useful myself, but I can empathize. We already lost some other good tags in a similar manner. Particularly silver_hair (topic #20897), which I consider not only useful but necessary (and no, white_hair and grey_hair can not replace it).

Not happy about this outcome, or this trend of killing widely used tags just because some people don't like them.

MyrMindservant said:

Not happy about this outcome, or this trend of killing widely used tags just because some people don't like them.

Bangs was not widely used, it was widely tagged, and even then only because of its many implications. Due to its sheer abundance it served no purpose for searches; status:any -no_humans essentially replicated its function 99% of the time because of just how many posts have bangs, and searching -bangs didn't work because of the millions of applicable posts that didn't have it. It was in every possible way a useless tag.

I don't like this at all, but in all honesty the bangs tag was always doomed to fail.

As someone without any no humans posts favourited, the proportion of my favourites that were tagged with bangs when I tagged it up fully (according to my definition of what should/should not count - more on that later) was in the 85-90% region so I do understand the argument that it was too common to have a tag for.

Not only that, but a sizable proportion of the posts that did come up were situations where the character may have had bangs but that part of the body where they would be were not in the image, whether they be covered by some sort of clothing, or facing away or head out of frame. If anything that -bangs search of well-tagged images was almost better for finding these posts than finding characters that actually have no bangs. Someone looking for bangs would obviously not want to find these, but someone looking for a character without bangs also wouldn't.

And not only that, there's the issue of when exactly does something warrant being tagged with bangs? There have been similar issues with big tags in the past (eg. shirt and breasts) but these were solved by taking the maximalist approach, which in this case would just bloat the tag still further. This wasn't much of an issue with tagging old bangs tag specifically because there were so many clear cut cases to tag up. But eventually it would become an issue. Does Yamakaze (kancolle) have bangs? My instinct (and approach when tagging) would be to say no by default as hair beyond chin-length is not what I think of when I think of bangs, even if it's shorter than the rest and the part of the hair which, if cut, would form them. How about Suzunami (kancolle)? The very top part is obviously tied back but there are the bits around the side. Would that make it count? Or hair that is probably bangs but parted so strongly that it doesn't function as such at all like for kuroshio (kancolle)? Heck, there are even posts of Hatsuharu (kancolle) that have/had her tagged with bangs - I think post #3802128 was a mistag but can't be sure. And that's just KanColle destroyers.

And this issue would also affect a tag for the absence of bangs, except it would do so a lot more obviously (as the edge cases that got tagged wouldn't be hidden among a hundred posts like post #2360964) and a lot sooner.

There should be a tag for finding the presence or absence of bangs that doesn't include combining together dozens of tags that still only cover a few specific cases. It seems utterly absurd that what seems like such a simple and fundamental concept would not have any way of searching for it. But I'm lost for how this would actually work. I honestly think the bangs tag was the best we were going to get (none of the proposed alternatives are remotely close to being actual alternatives), but even that was always going to become problematic one way or another.

Why in the world was this deprecated? I could understand nuking just to get a clean slate, but making it completely unusable? The threshold for deprecation has gotten way to low—it’s meant for stuff that should never be used under any circumstances, ever.

Cattywampus said:

Why in the world was this deprecated? I could understand nuking just to get a clean slate, but making it completely unusable? The threshold for deprecation has gotten way to low—it’s meant for stuff that should never be used under any circumstances, ever.

Killing bangs is fine by me; we still have all the *_bangs tags which are much more useful.

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