Lily of the Valley is a scary plant: ALL its parts are poisonous, especially the berries, and it has roughly 40 different alkaloids, almost all of which affect the heart and cause reduced heart rate, abdominal pain, and vomiting.
there have been wild Su-san growing in my backyard for at least 21 years now. i never really considered up until now that they would actually be poisonous.
while lily of the valley is poisonous, it would only cause serious problems if ingested, from my understanding. Prolonged exposure to lots of it's pollen would probably be bad as well. It'd probably be more 'horribly uncomfortable' then dangerous in this case.
All_Knowing_Frog said: while lily of the valley is poisonous, it would only cause serious problems if ingested, from my understanding. Prolonged exposure to lots of it's pollen would probably be bad as well. It'd probably be more 'horribly uncomfortable' then dangerous in this case.
Yes, forgot to mention that: the alkaloids are not readily absorbed through the skin, they are most effective when introduced orally. In the old days, Lily of the Valley-laced tea was a good way to get rid of ... unwanted people. Make a bouquet of it, and you'll be all right.
Painiac said: Deeerp, convalias vere used as folk remedy, so it's probably not that poisonous as it seems?
In small doses, it can be used to regulate tachycardia (overspeeding heart), as it slows down the pulse.
Then again, EVERYTHING has an LD50 (median lethal dose, where 50% of a given population dies). Including water: you can drink enough to cause water poisoning and kill you (it works by upsetting the electrolyte balance in the body, leading to muscle cramps and neural transmission problems).
I kinda saw this coming when I realized it was Medicine. "Hang on, doesn't she live in a field of poisonous flowers?" I'm sure Medicine didn't know that though, and it's nice to see that Hong loves her job of teaching Kindergarden. :3
ThunderBird said: Yes, forgot to mention that: the alkaloids are not readily absorbed through the skin, they are most effective when introduced orally. In the old days, Lily of the Valley-laced tea was a good way to get rid of ... unwanted people. Make a bouquet of it, and you'll be all right.
In small doses, it can be used to regulate tachycardia (overspeeding heart), as it slows down the pulse.
Then again, EVERYTHING has an LD50 (median lethal dose, where 50% of a given population dies). Including water: you can drink enough to cause water poisoning and kill you (it works by upsetting the electrolyte balance in the body, leading to muscle cramps and neural transmission problems).
Only 50% of the population though. Hong will survive.
But yeah, everything has a lethal dosage. That's why they say 'Too much of a good thing', and it's why you feel sick if you eat too much chocolate, it's technically poisonous. Chances are you'd end up puking before you manage to overdose on it though, or have the sense to say 'Enough is enough, I'll save the rest for later.'
Neo_X said: ...How are you not dead?! Or at least ended up in the hospital?
There aren't that many poisonous plants, if any, that are poisonous enough to kill you that quickly if you're just handling them.
FJH said: How can we not have good discussion about LD50 whenever someone posts a "give Momiji chocolate" image?
Maybe because dogs need quite an amount of chocolate to actually get sick. Since poisons' effects are based on dosage per kilogram of body weight, and theobromine has an LD(lo), or lowest lethal dose, of 16 mg/kg and an LD50 of 300 mg/kg, a large dog can ingest a lot of chocolate before enough theobromine accumulates in their system to cause serious symptoms. To quote Wikipedia: "A typical 20 kg (44 lb) dog will normally experience intestinal distress after eating less than 240 g (8.5 oz) of dark chocolate, but won't necessarily experience bradycardia or tachyarrhythmia unless it eats at least half a kilogram (1.1 lb) of milk chocolate." Now, Momiji weighs in around 45-55 kg, shield and sword not included, and she's a tengu, so her resistance may be enhanced. Mysticism discounted, at 50 kg of bodyweight, she'd need ~15 g of theobromine to reach LD50. Since highly refined chocolate usually contains 1,4-2,1 g/kg of theobromine, you'd have to feed her ~7 kilograms of chocolate to have a 50% chance of killing her. I think she'd get bored of it long before that...
Reliable and not overly lenghty nor complicated LINK on first aid-prevention-em ergency,together with other sources and healthy coniderations,https://www.webmd.com/first-aid/lily-of-the-valley-poisoning : thruthfully the "Liliy(Asparagus Lily Flower of the Valley) IS altogether very poisonous, BUT there is ALSO Partial-Paggeration thruthfully along its 3 general degrees of severity + 1 selective reaction +1 consideration by size :the very strong poison is about eating it:medium by inhaling the pollen,the aerial statuses and their extract, or limit to tasting them or any solid part of the plant ; minor by general contact though still present AND, in this 3rd plus last general state, it would affect just certain individuals AND all of ; all the parts of the plants are small or small-medium ones. A what-if but not-yet-serious with complication would have been if the adult Hong Meiling's ,or naturally and even more the children, were to imprudently ,and in any way, rubbing or mostly so those flowers in their faces , or having been a denser cloud of pollen and/or denser reduced parts having ended breathed in or at a lesser extent deposited below-skin,eventually further-below-skin if by additional such similar reckless actions.
My vision is somehow getting blurred.Teacher, this is for you.Like a princess.Knock it off, you guys.Wow, thank you.They're such great kids.Flower CrownKn-What kind of flower is that?Teacher, you look beautiful.Su-san! Abbreviated "suzuran", or "lily of the valley".Isn't that a poisonous plant?!
