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Koikatsu discussion

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Should Koikatsu really be a tag and have cards, scenes, gifs and screenshots uploaded? None of the posts comprehending it, including deleted ones, are from one of the seven characters from the game.

I understand accepting something that was edited to look like it was drawn or made by someone, but you have shaders, sliders, maps, animations and mods that differ from stuff made with actual 3D computer graphics software.

It was also brought up by two users in topic #16206.
A dedicated imageboard for Illusion game cards so you can see more related pictures.

skylightcrystal said:

There are things in status:deleted that are using the default outfit (eg. post #5143625) or that have the default card background (eg. post #5008502)

Those are the things that would arguably warrant a copyright tag IMO. Not just anything made in Koikatsu studio.

Usually it only happens if it has characters associated with it. I mean to question if stuff made with the game and its Chara Studio is worth being uploaded here.

Laudividni said:

Usually it only happens if it has characters associated with it. I mean to question if stuff made with the game and its Chara Studio is worth being uploaded here.

Not necessarily - copyright tags will also get added for items from a copyright including outfits (post #1222071 for example), for references to a copyright (including to the art style of the copyright).

If someone drew a fake koikatsu character card, with that style, background etc. to it then it would get the koikatsu copyright tag, just like fake MTG cards (for example post #4801770) get the magic: the gathering copyright tag. So why shouldn't real ones when uploaded?

As to whether they should be uploaded, I think the consensus was "generally no but no firm rule against it", just like it is with similar things. It'll still happen, though.

skylightcrystal said:

Not necessarily - copyright tags will also get added for items from a copyright including outfits (post #1222071 for example), for references to a copyright (including to the art style of the copyright).

If someone drew a fake koikatsu character card, with that style, background etc. to it then it would get the koikatsu copyright tag, just like fake MTG cards (for example post #4801770) get the magic: the gathering copyright tag. So why shouldn't real ones when uploaded?

I wrote "usually it only" by mistake above. I refer to howto:copyright, so I don't see how the linked posts are similar to post #5143625 and post #5008502. Regardless, I won't request moving Koikatsu to a metatag due to my bias, admittedly. I have no issues with it beign a copytag or pictures being uploaded, I have difficulty treating it like drawn, modeled and 3D animated artworks due to its intricacies.

As to whether they should be uploaded, I think the consensus was "generally no but no firm rule against it", just like it is with similar things. It'll still happen, though.

If that's the consensus, thanks, that's what I wanted to discuss.

Well, if we count anything with the direct logo as deserving it, post #5008502 and post #4277742 would be the only qualifiers. If we need characters specifically, a whopping total of zero.

Honestly, with only two posts to its name, I'm not even sure the copyright tag would need to be a thing for a while yet rather than the meta tag. Unless someone gets really interested in the OG protagonists (good luck with that one, they might as well be crafted out of wood) I think it will be safe.

By the way, there are other Illusion games somewhere in there too.
So far i found:

I think there are more laying around.

If the koikatsu meta tag passes, then all of these should logically be turned into meta tags too, with gardening to keep the copyright tag on the posts featuring the game's original characters.

Username_Hidden said:

I think there are more laying around.

I think Battle Raper, Battle Raper 2, and RapeLay are also all theirs. Meanwhile, isn't Custom Maid made by KISS?

If the koikatsu meta tag passes, then all of these should logically be turned into meta tags too, with gardening to keep the copyright tag on the posts featuring the game's original characters.

One question I wonder is whether or not these games share the same engine, because if so we could reduce them down to illusion_soft_(medium), since one has to wonder just how many folks search for individual images of these games, or rather, images of their favorite characters in them.

Damian0358 said:

I think Battle Raper, Battle Raper 2, and RapeLay are also all theirs. Meanwhile, isn't Custom Maid made by KISS?

Correct, COM3D2 is made by KISS. And no, it's not published by Illusion either.

One question I wonder is whether or not these games share the same engine, because if so we could reduce them down to illusion_soft_(medium), since one has to wonder just how many folks search for individual images of these games, or rather, images of their favorite characters in them.

Pretty much all Illusion games IIRC are made using the Unity engine, but characters made in each of them is almost visually distinguishable from one to the other.

Damian0358 said:

One question I wonder is whether or not these games share the same engine, because if so we could reduce them down to illusion_soft_(medium), since one has to wonder just how many folks search for individual images of these games, or rather, images of their favorite characters in them.

If you are talking here on dan, then not a lot, since getting images of either system through is so rare that searching for them is worthless.

If you are talking about searching for them in general, then god yes. Koikatsu is incredibly popular on Pixiv, and gets plenty of people either making artwork with it or just creating characters for others to make. Honey select is considered the "Better" (Read as: More realistic) variant, for people who want to make things that resemble humans more than anime characters. Both get some pretty extensive uploads alongside people making good money off of them.

I'm more familiar with the former (easier to mod, Honey requires a lot more investment to get up and running), but overall I'd say tossing all of them into an Illusion meta is not going to go pleasantly, since people have specific tastes with how realistic they want their characters. Easier to just make specific Meta's so that way we don't have to come back here later to fix the damage.

Yeah I don't think it's a good idea to mix them all together. A lot of these games have their specific subcultures focused around them. Even if most of the posts under these tags are deleted, it doesn't hurt us to preserve that information and the people who'll be uploading this kind of content are not likely to confuse one game for the other.

skylightcrystal said:

I think those are the only ones.

Temporarily moved those back into koikatsu. I'm not sure what qualifier to give the copyright to make it clear that people should be using koikatsu (medium) for stuff rendered in it instead.

Translated tags also need to be adjusted - they were all moved into the medium tag but I'm not sure if they apply to both.

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